Clovis man, you're putting on a clinic for how not to respond to criticism. Just drop it and everybody will have moved on to something else by the end of the day.

wow i haven't seen a meltdown like this since trump's only solo presidential press conference

Just say penis or dick more. Works for me. I really enjoyed the Clovis farewell to the troops scene from Glen Gary Glen Ross. Good stuff.

fly is elite and hands down the funniest descriptive writer in this forum

You are taking a lot of liberties in filling in the blanks in my thought process.

I never said that there was a "moral equivalency" between Fly and "racist frogs who target blacks."

I never "threw up my hands" and said that it is impossible to distinguish between Breitbart's targets and Fly's targets.

I guess my point was that "have thicker skin" and "get a sense of humor" are not all-purpose justifications for incivility, as Ann Coulter has proven for the better part of two decades.

Fly serves a purpose. He has a keen sense of smell for racism. No one on this forum is better at sniffing it out. And he is funny. On the other hand, it seems a little overbroad to say that anyone who takes Fly's attacks personally has a terminal case of white privilege. Fly often is deliberately insulting and abrasive. He often seems to draw no distinction between people who are awful and people who are well-intentioned but wrong. And sometimes his attacks are simply misdirected.

Definitely this. Fly is Fly. He is the Michael Moore of this forum. The best approach is to enjoy the parts of him that you enjoy and ignore the parts you don't.

bro, you jumped to the defense of sarah palin, a revolting human being who has been trying her hardest to cozy up to alt-right and other white nationalists for years...and then you trotted out and subsequently doubled down on this silly idea that the tea party was a "small economic govt movement", not about racism, and then you likened those who disagreed with you to pizzagaters and r/donald posters

if you want people to defend you, try posting better.

and more than that, she's not just some inconsequential, ordinary dip**** racist hick from boonie**** alaska, shes a goddamn former elected official and VP candidate who played a direct role in advancing policies of white supremacy on the local and national stage. she's a fixture at republican functions and, regrettably, is a person who thousands of people look to for political guidance. yet somehow she's not as "white supremacist" as cletus the klan member in alabama? gtfo here with that nonsense imo

I noticed this too.

Tweet is still up.
She shares young con stuff regularly.
Young con posts stuff like:

wat? so you're confused because in your mind, "normies" calling racists racist is just as bad as when racists post pepe memes with jews and ovens?

right, people aren't just pissed off AF at the current state of affairs, no, they really care about being labelled "most extreme poker politics forum poster"

get a grip

But I wasn't justifying incivility for the sake of it, simply that the response to Fly is over the top given that Fly's rhetoric isn't that bad and the people that are targeted aren't being unduly victimized by anything that bad.

Yet again-- the comparison to Ann Coulter? The **** yo?

Ann Coulter:

On 9/11 widows:

Yet AGAIN I am struck by all the counter examples Fly that I'm told Fly is just like are in fact notable for saying really atrocious things to say about literally billions of people and Fly's great sin is offending a few white guys on the internet and I'm told all of this is really similar and I should see the point.

But we're on YOUR SECOND ATTEMPT NOW and all I've taken away is actually yeah, there's a whole lot of asinine analogies made here that speak to a drastic lack of understanding about context likely borne out of tremendous amounts of privilege and lack of basic human decency to be able to separate Fly from Ann Coulter.

I know, I know, you didn't mean that Fly was just like Ann Coulter, you didn't mean Fly was just like the alt-right, but all of your analogies seem to be simply begging me to assume white guys on the internet facing down Fly are l like 9/11 widows and Muslims and the mentally disabled vis a vis Ann Coulter.

Like, yo, Rococo, you seem OK on the whole but...my spidey sense is tingling here.

JFC. I must suck at writing. As I just explained in response to DVaut, that was not my point at all.

I don't think your writing is the problem.

"Man Fly is really uncivil to white guys on the internet! Just like this person who has a decades long career in media insulting Muslims, Jews, Mexicans, women, the mentally disable and terrorist victims' widows."

"Uh, woah, wtf?"

"Sorry, I'm really bad at written communication."

It's uncomfortable to argue from the right when Fly is around, which I've done before. That's not a value judgment, outrage is appropriate when Trump is the President.

Yeah, the Ann Coulter post was pretty clear and seems to have gone totally over your head.

It's worth noting that a lot of forums, including this one when I was in charge, handled insults differently based on whether the target is a poster.

the whole thing is ludicrous anyway because, rightly or not, 95% of clovis' posts in this forum are dedicated not only to bashing donald trump and trumpkins, but americans as a whole. i'm not stepping up in defense of usa#1 here, but i think it's pretty ridiculous that he's sitting here tone policing, drawing up ludicrous false equivalencies, and acting so offended at being talked down to, as if he's above all the incivility when he's so clearly not.

this all boils down to having thicker skin and not doubling down on a bunch of easily refuted hawt takes about how economic-minded the tea party is/was

lol at this charade

Oh well. I don't know why your spidey sense is tingling, but there isn't much I can do about it.

To be clear, I'm not equating Fly to racists. I just think of him as a polemicist whose main audience is those who already agree with him. But when someone is trying to defend a billboard that shows Obama bowing to a Saudi as "not racist", yeah, Fly is the best in the business at exposing them.

Perhaps I am overreacting to the "get a sense of humor" argument. I have a negative reaction generally to that response because the right has used it so frequently as a defense to charges of racism.

i dont think "get a sense of humor" was ever part of dvaut's argument/thesis

OK, but are those of us on the left allowed to be thin skinned when people white night obvious Neo-Nazi dogwhistles and insist Sarah ****ing Palin always be given the benefit of the doubt? Cuz, that **** is sort of offensive, yo.

OK. If DVaut wasn't the one who made the get a thicker skin and get a sense of humor post, then I misread and there is no point in me directing comments at him.

I have to go to a wedding. Have fun everyone.