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That's a fair point.

At the same time, restricting forum members who would help privately by banning the vulnerable person is unproductive and potentially destructive.

The people I know who successfully committed suicide didn't give off obvious hints like Bryce did. They were happy one day and dead the next. Nobody saw it coming.

Anyway, I guess all we can do is hope for the best given the ban.

That's surprising. The hinting, or full on exclaiming, pre-suicide attempt is very common iirc.

07-21-2017 , 11:57 PM

#4777

AllCowsEatGrass

banned

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Contemplating suicide is not the time to be on the internet. It is time to talk to a real person. It's not a permanent ban. It's an enforced break and a direction to talk to someone.

Question for both you and Mat: have you ever been suicidal? If you haven't personally been in such a state, have you taken any University classes on crisis prevention or personal therapy?

I haven't taken any classes, but I've been sucidal several times. Once I was posting on an internet forum when I was suicidal. Instead of being banned, I asked a good friend of mine who was posting at the same time to call me, which they did. We talked for about thirty minutes on the phone, and it very possibly saved my life.

You never know if the person on the other end is sitting with a loaded shotgun right beside them, because that's how I was.

If I had been banned instead and cut off from my only line of contact with friends, things could have ended very differently.

07-21-2017 , 11:58 PM

#4778

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

Question for both you and Mat: have you ever been suicidal? If you haven't personally been in such a state, have you taken any University classes on crisis prevention or personal therapy?

I haven't taken any classes, but I've been sucidal several times. Once I was posting on an internet forum when I was suicidal. Instead of being banned, I asked a good friend of mine who was posting at the same time to call me, which they did. We talked for about thirty minutes on the phone, and it very possible saved my life.

You never know if the person on the other end is sitting with a loaded shotgun right beside them, because that's how I was.

If I had been banned instead and cut off from my only line of contact with friends, things could have ended very differently.

Yo,

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

OK, if you want a different SOP for suicide threats on the forum, take it up with Mat. That is how Mat handled it in the past. I defer to how he wants it handled.

07-22-2017 , 11:15 AM

#4779

uke_master

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spaceman available to be contacted again. If you have a relationship with him, please reach out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

i just became aware of the spaceman thing. he was banned, but given my number and the number to a suicide hotline.

he didn't call me. i lifted the ban for now. we don't collect enough information on people to be able to notify authorities in cases like this.

if any of you know who he is and feel that someone should be contacted, please do so or let me know the info and I will.

07-22-2017 , 06:28 PM

#4780

AllCowsEatGrass

banned

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I PM'd Bryce. Someone plz lmk if you hear anything from him.

08-03-2017 , 10:45 AM

#4781

dzikijohnny

old hand

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In what way is this a safe space?

08-03-2017 , 02:15 PM

#4782

kerowo

lolcat

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You get hurt by text a lot do you?

08-05-2017 , 07:39 AM

#4783

rafiki

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Did Bryce wind up being ok?

08-05-2017 , 02:13 PM

#4784

+rep_lol

banned

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how is anyone to know

he never responded to my PM

08-05-2017 , 02:40 PM

#4785

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

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Bryce is posting in the ATF chat thread

08-05-2017 , 08:02 PM

#4786

6ix

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Bryce is posting in the ATF chat thread

well that's a ****ing relief

08-05-2017 , 08:06 PM

#4787

6ix

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Bryce said this to me when my father passed from cancer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

I've never been good at these types of things.

Here is the rule to remember in the future, When anything tempts you to be bitter: not, ''This is a misfortune'' but ''To bear this worthily is good fortune.''- marcus aerulius

Sorry man. The wieght of life is heavy.

09-21-2017 , 09:29 AM

#4788

domer2

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Fascinating article about Title IX:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...al-by-title-ix

"Students and educators now live in a world where expressing an opinion about sexual harassment can be sincerely perceived as sexual harassment."

09-21-2017 , 09:46 AM

#4789

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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shouldn't title IX lols go in the ikes rape thread?

09-21-2017 , 11:38 AM

#4790

domer2

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I looked for that thread initially, but the article is more generalized than rape/assault...more focused on the cultural change in campuses that is leading people to foist bizarre allegations of "harassment."

09-21-2017 , 12:47 PM

#4791

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by domer2

"Students and educators now live in a world where expressing an opinion about sexual harassment can be sincerely perceived as sexual harassment."

I mean, quite obviously, this should be the case. Certain opinions about sexual harassment and certain ways of expressing those opinions are sexual harassment. An opinion isn't necessarily good or acceptable just because it exists or it's expressed.

Furthermore, while I'm sure there are examples of overreaching Title IX cases, to suggest that these outweigh the numerous cases where institutions cover up rape or sexual harassment on a large scale and where the only recourse these women have is a Title IX case is pretty dubious.

09-21-2017 , 01:05 PM

#4792

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Quote:

Originally Posted by domer2

This dude is such a mommy's little prince that he put me on ignore after like 3 posts but here he is addressing the real threat to free speech in America today.

09-21-2017 , 01:10 PM

#4793

Trolly McTrollson

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You're saying it's harassment if I merely express an opinion about my co-worker's tits?

09-21-2017 , 01:53 PM

#4794

DudeImBetter

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Where's FoldN been, he banned? Also where's Dids?

09-22-2017 , 12:06 PM

#4795

domer2

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And now a study where half(!) of college students seem to not be fans of the 1st amendment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...as-its-limits/

Doesn't seem like a promising development

09-22-2017 , 12:10 PM

#4796

microbet

Solar Powered

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Domer,

What speech should be protected? Recruiting for a Nazi group? Recruiting for ISIS?

09-22-2017 , 12:11 PM

#4797

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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seems like they support the speech of someone loudly disagreeing with an admitted troll. more speech is better imo.

09-22-2017 , 12:11 PM

#4798

iron81

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

You're saying it's harassment if I merely express an opinion about my co-worker's tits?

This basically 100% depends on whether she's into you. So yes.

09-22-2017 , 12:15 PM

#4799

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by domer2

And now a study where half(!) of college students seem to not be fans of the 1st amendment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...as-its-limits/

Doesn't seem like a promising development

Man, are we going to have to teach yet another conservative that a heckler's veto doesn't impinge upon free speech rights?