All these white protesters marching in the streets are guilty of cultural appropriation imo.

Actually I don't get that. What I get is that no matter how many reasons are presented for why that's a mischaracterization you simply go back to repeating it. What I see is, that's your spin and you're sticking to it.

PairTheBoard

Yeah, no crap you don't get it, and I hope that changes. Like you, I expect this row about safe spaces, trigger warning, microaggressions, even disinvitations, to work itself out for the best eventually.

You noticed the same thing as I did in the video a few days ago at NYU Law, how concerned professors are taking concepts like trigger warnings, safe spaces, etc., seriously and trying to figure out where they will fit in on campus without harming academic freedom and, ultimately the students themselves. I'm repeating their concerns and arguments here, and frankly, very few of your counter-arguments have been very relevant as I've shown.

Claiming I'm mischaracterizing things surprises me a bit from you. I could say it's you, along with others here, who are steadfastly wriggling about mischaracterizing things. For example, the quote mine of Obama you took out of context today to mean something it clearly did not. I actually debated with myself if you were performing some intricate sabotage and trying to help my argument by demonstrating how everyone here is clearly off base. Anyway, I do still expect good, smart, cool heads to prevail, as is usually the case eventually. Whether we're among them is tbd.

I reject the extremist interpretation of the Obama quote you repeatedly trot out that he was insisting that students should accept every speaker at any venue in any social context. You also reject that interpretation, as you don't think David Duke should be a commencement speaker! You apparently must think that there is an objective standard by which Duke is an unacceptable commencement speaker who can be blocked but Condoleezza Rice is an acceptable one who should not be, because no other explanation makes sense. That position is also silly, but it is at least more consistent. If you think it is OK to deplatform Duke, you are admitting that your whole campaign against deplatforming has nothing to do with free speech. You are merely upset that there are some speakers you don't find objectionable that others do, even if you agree that there are other speakers you and they both find objectionable enough to deny a prominent venue. You are yourself disagreeing with the interpretation of Obama's quote that you are trying to foist upon others lest you brand them opponents of free speech. You are every bit the same. Your position is exactly the one you want to brand as illiberal but for a superficial disagreement as to where the line is, not a material disagreement over whether there should be a line.

It is transparent to everyone here that you are willing to contort yourself into any position so long as you oppose the liberals, but you keep looking more and more ridiculous in the process.

Lol, nope. You must have missed my post where I completely refuted what you said. I'm not even sure I addressed it to you, so that may have been easy for you to do. Clearly you haven't been reading every post, or probably doing much more than skimming mine.

I'm finding this is a big part of the problem ITT, that I simply can't keep up responding to everyone's bad arguments and deflections, or the occasional good point. I shouldn't claim you're doing it insincerely, because that indicates bad will. Of course, another option is that you're just slow. But, I reject both of those options for the most part in favor of a third we all fall into to some degree: confirmation bias combined with laziness.

I really started noticing it when some of the sane posters, like PTB and WN started making really obvious mistakes. There is no way for me to keep up with who has read what, and whether they skimmed it, how they took it, what preconception they had, what confirmation bias they might be holding, etc., etc. I'm sure I fall into that trap as well. It's hugely amplified with so many posters dropping in, and many of them not serious. It's not like a traditional debate/forum where everyone is in the same room, and you can have a continuous discussion expecting to know what everyone else has heard. It's more like having that same discussion by mail. Slower and more confused.

I'm going to bow out, now, as I'm not getting through to many of you, and if anything probably hurting the cause of free speech with you guys. Anyone interested should just read the material I've provided in links, videos, the FIRE podcasts are quite good. They do a much better job explaining than I do, and if you're still not convinced, all good. I may start up a thread on the philosophy if free speech in SMP as you suggested. Please ban me if I post ITT again, Wook. Tia.

So, since FoldnDark 'deplatformed' himself... does that mean he hates "Free Speech"? I feel my "right to listen" to FoldnDark spew gibberish has been violated. Just like his mentor, the odious BruceZ, and Brave Sir Robin, he has ran away...

Foldn just can't keep up with all the people calling out the flaws in his arguments... LOL


In before Chez calls me mean.

When have I ever called you 'mean' kerowo?

I've called you a few choice thing in PU but I don't believe 'mean' or anything similar features.

Originally Posted by PairTheBoard

... It's all a question of pedagogy and how much input students should have in deciding how best their education is to be conducted...
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I was talking about the entire spectrum of student activism for a say in their education, including the Free Speech movement of the 60's, insistence on black studies and women's studies, on up to today's safe spaces, trigger warnings, and appropriate commencement speakers.

As far as commencement speakers, I agree with MrWookie's characterization and that alone justifies the student protests. But I think the speakers are also intended to provide one final university sponsored educational content for the graduates. At least I think it's clear that all Obama's objections were on pedagogical grounds. Certainly, nowhere does he refer to any of it as a threat to freedom of speech.


PairTheBoard

It's your new go to when you are tone policing people. It's a lot nicer than when you used to call people crazy. Unfortunately it makes you appear like a 12 year old.

It's pretty much just Fly I call out for his try to be mean thing - you're no Fly, Kerowo and 'mean' is not one of the the words I would choose to describe you.

and I don't ignore arguments because of tone as you must know. So there's no tone policing going on.

lol at the rest btw. This isn't PU kerowo so I wont do much more that laugh at you.

Oof, the SMP invasion has taken quite a setback. I expect a whole lot of chezzing in the weeks to come.

I'm always here for you trolly. What's on your mind?

Man, the SMP invasion keeps running cold. So far...

• Glorious leader BruceZ invades. He promises to "return this forum to you", and threatens to abuse his mod powers.
  
  
• Glorious leader starts his pvn Rambo tread, gets temp-banned.
  
  
• Glorious leader has mental meltdown fiasco in the mod forum, gets de-modded.
  
  
• Glorious leader runs away with his tail between his legs. Brave Sir Robin !!!1!
  
  
• The SMP clown car shows up, and for the next ~9mo spams Los Dos Politardia with their "If you re-mod him, he'll return" campaign. Man, this is the funniest part of all.
  
  
• SMP gets stuck with Teh Jabber-Wookie. OK, maybe this is the funniest part.
  
  
• Mat Sklansky rules using the r-word is cool, and that peeps shouldn't get their panties in a twist. If only he had said that two years ago, the odious BruceZ wouldn't have had to have his mental meltdown fiasco.
  
  
• And now FoldnDark 'deplatforms' himself from his own containment thread. Brave Sir Robin returns !!!1!

Did I miss any?

• grunching...
  
• but HOLY ****...
  
• BULLET POINTS!!1
  
• i sense a fatality in foldn's future
  
• (accidental alliteration)

Why, you forgot about Masque de z's departure.

Poor chez! Your eternal axe-grinding campaign against the politics forum has brought so much frustration to so many of your friends. Hope it's all been worth it.

Isn't he the Brett Favre of our brave Sir Robins?

If only Mat Sklansky could go back in time, and tell him not to get his panties in a twist. Then he never invades, and none of the rest of this ever happens. If only... if only...

I appreciate you have been very frustrated mate but it's all a figment of your imagination.

You seem happy today, maybe this will finally get you over it?

next time someone asks about the 'kids in the playground' I shall refer them to this thread.

I never thought I'd have to say this and most NSFW

I don't know what you guys did to FoldnDark, I am starting to worry about him. This morning he came into work wearing a tri-cornered hat and brandishing a flintlock musket. Then he stood up on his desk and recited the entirety of George Carlin's "religion is bull****" routine from memory. I mean, it's a funny bit and all, but we are closing out out fiscal year here and he is just making more work for the rest of us.

Just think: you and Bruce and Masque could all be hanging out together in SMP right now just like old times if you hadn't embarked on your pointless trolling campaign. All you ever had to do was just leave well enough alone.

Thanks for he concern but if you want to think then just consider how much happier you might be if you got over your SMP thingy.

I've considered it. I came to the conclusion that I'd be happier if I posted "The odious BruceZ is a racist !!!1!" everytime you post "get over it".

but you don't seem as sad as Trolly is. It's just a laugh to you whereas Trolly is always complaining - be so much better if he got over it and tried to live up to that lovely smile of his don't you think?