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04-06-2016 , 12:56 AM
Yeah, he's hillarious. He stopped doing college gigs years ago.
04-06-2016 , 01:34 AM
This is a real tragedy. Kids cant see Seinfeld on campus anymore, although they now can watch his tired routine in the palm of their hands at any time of day they get the urge. Really tough to have access so limited.

By the way, I read an article about Jerry's crusade, and the joke he lamented he couldn't tell anymore was about someone flipping through their iPhone contacts like a "gay French king" (while waving his arms flamboyantly for maximum comedic effect). That too is a tragedy that it will be missed live.

04-06-2016 , 01:42 AM
Much ado about nothing.
04-06-2016 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
As has been obvious from the start, the whole trigger warnings/safe spaces thing(which doesn't really exist from the left except as isolated anecdotes) is projection from the right, who literally built an entire media/entertainment ecosystem to avoid being told news that upsets them.

I don't remember if someone posted it but Vox published a... letter? or something from a Trump supporting Ph.D. student all about the same ****, about how tough it is as a white dude to support an openly racist candidate.
I hope you're not delusional enough to actually believe this.
04-06-2016 , 02:04 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...n-mind/399356/

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Some recent campus actions border on the surreal. In April, at Brandeis University, the Asian American student association sought to raise awareness of microaggressions against Asians through an installation on the steps of an academic hall. The installation gave examples of microaggressions such as “Aren’t you supposed to be good at math?” and “I’m colorblind! I don’t see race.” But a backlash arose among other Asian American students, who felt that the display itself was a microaggression. The association removed the installation, and its president wrote an e-mail to the entire student body apologizing to anyone who was “triggered or hurt by the content of the microaggressions.”
04-06-2016 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Actually, it's normally olds with their staunchly religious morality getting worked up and trying to censor crap,.
Yeah maybe in the Victorian era. Modern speech restrictions are all written and enforced by the left. You can check it by watching a classic James Bond flic or All in the Family and keep score of how many things would never be allowed today.
04-06-2016 , 06:00 AM
Every word in that post is factually incorrect.
04-06-2016 , 06:45 AM
lol
04-06-2016 , 06:59 AM
Have you ever listened to rap music, watched HBO/FX/whatever, been to a movie theater, or seen a stand up comedian... any of these things? Ever in your life? Lol Archie Bunker or James Bond being more edgy. You are a complete fool.
04-06-2016 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Yeah maybe in the Victorian era. Modern speech restrictions are all written and enforced by the left. You can check it by watching a classic James Bond flic or All in the Family and keep score of how many things would never be allowed today.
It's weird to me that there are still people who still haven't checked out It's Always Sunny.
04-06-2016 , 07:38 AM
A late night special in the uk used to be Seinfield followed by Larry sanders. Now one has done PC gone mad and the other is running for the Republican nomination.
04-06-2016 , 08:03 AM
Game of Thrones is one of the most popular shows, uh, in the world? It's super PC written by SJWs. Now Google "Louie controversy." Kanye West said he wanted to **** Taylor Swift in a lyric. Hillary Clinton bragged about getting an endorsement from Snoop Dogg. Lars von Trier, Harmony Korine, and Gaspar Noe are not shunned from mainstream culture.

Do you want me to assign homework?

Your post is objectively false in every single way. Artists and entertainers have never, in the history of the world, possessed more creative freedom. The radical left is doing an atrocious job policing artists given how powerful you think they are. How do you explain like 95% of pop culture?

Alternatively, don't try. Stop posting. Delete your account.
04-06-2016 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
Shouldn't colleges, of all places, be bastions of free speech? Shouldn't they champion the "marketplace of ideas"? Let everyone talk, even the *******s.
I can't see how anybody could disagree with this.

Ultimately the problem is that a university is trying to please 50,000+ students on a campus which is impossible. Somebody is going to be offended about something that happens no matter what it is. Offend some oversensitive bigmouth and what was intended to be an innocent comment becomes an act of vicious oppression and national news.
04-06-2016 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I heard Gallagher stopped doing shows because the entire human race lost its sense of humor.
I'm not sure if this is common knowledge in itf and I am missing some obvious subtext here, but somewhat ironically Gallagher is apparently a far-right, nutbag, racist whose live show has become an absolute atrocity in recent years. I heard about this some time ago and looked up some of his stuff, and it was just witless, no-effort homophobic anti-Muslim stuff. Basically BruzeZ featuring watermelons, no joke. Anyway, I'm pretty sure he's not doing much on the college circuit these days.
04-06-2016 , 10:30 AM
Holy ****balls, what a horrible extract. Hope TRUMP builds a wall around this thread and makes the mods pay for it.
04-06-2016 , 10:54 AM
I make fun of Asian dealers being bad at math when they get the pot wrong in PLO.
04-06-2016 , 10:58 AM
That's racist.
04-06-2016 , 11:51 AM
FoldN, it seems like you can't wrap your head around the following two things being simultaneously true:

1. College-age students today being less tolerant of differing views than they had been in previous generations (perhaps a result of increased coddling as well as overall political divisiveness?), with some going so far as demanding unrealistic curtails on material they deem offensive i.e. safe spaces.

2. For the most part, these demands not being met by college administrations or being enforced in such a way that actually limits speech or expression.

A couple of years ago at the U of A we had a guy standing on the main mall holding up a sign saying "Women deserve rape" and yelling at them as they walked by. Do you think people had a right to be offended by this? And guess what the administration did? Nothing, citing freedom of speech, though it's unfortunate that no one decided to punch him in his face.

It's hard to see what resolution you want to come from the issue of safe spaces that you are presenting. Hence, in the end you are just a typical old complaining about "kids these days." On a side note, I probably give you more credit than you are due because I always think that your avatar is Ron Swanson until I look at it more closely.
04-06-2016 , 11:53 AM
Police language censor ideology echo chamber fun fun fun
04-06-2016 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
I'm not sure if this is common knowledge in itf and I am missing some obvious subtext here, but somewhat ironically Gallagher is apparently a far-right, nutbag, racist whose live show has become an absolute atrocity in recent years. I heard about this some time ago and looked up some of his stuff, and it was just witless, no-effort homophobic anti-Muslim stuff. Basically BruzeZ featuring watermelons, no joke. Anyway, I'm pretty sure he's not doing much on the college circuit these days.
Hahaha, when I saw Gallagher live, he teed off on some dude in the audience who had earrings. I think at the time everyone assumed it was good-natured ribbing, but it could have been BruceZ-style homophobic meltdown.
04-06-2016 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Yeah maybe in the Victorian era. Modern speech restrictions are all written and enforced by the left. You can check it by watching a classic James Bond flic or All in the Family and keep score of how many things would never be allowed today.
It's actually still more of the old, religious conservatives banning stuff and restricting speech, but these days they tend to focus more on what kids are allowed to see/read. Look up a list of widely banned books, they're almost exclusively from highschools and due to too much violence, sex, etc. There are notable exceptions, like Huck Finn, because of the n-word, but with kids it's mostly the bible thumpers' concerns addressed. There's also movie ratings, and TVMA stuff, all catered to parents for children. We had Nancy Reagan in the 80's censoring rap songs for awhile, but that got squashed fairly quickly. Howard Stern thrived and America stuck it's finger up to the moral facists.

The part that is new(ish) and coming mostly from the left is attempts to censor adults by way of infantilizing them, turning arguments away from discussing them by their merits, and instead substituting level of offense taken as a means to restrict free speech. How big of a problem this has become is up for debate, and I won't claim to know from my living room, but I don't expect it to get far. There's too much respect for the first amendment in this country, in fact, it could be considered more than any other thing what this nation was founded on.
04-06-2016 , 01:08 PM
FoldN- Like, you quoted the Seinfeld thing. Did you read it? Do you understand that there was never actually something that happened to either Seinfeld or Rock? Seinfeld "heard" the same **** as you and, as an old, was complaining about these kids these days. They weren't basing those statements on personal experience.

The whole thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Obviously, saying something really racist or sexist can damage a comic's career no matter where they say it. And unless they are setting weird age limits for their regular shows, not sure how you avoid having college kids in the audience.

So the specific issue is that Seinfeld and Rock need to avoid is...
04-06-2016 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Yeah maybe in the Victorian era. Modern speech restrictions are all written and enforced by the left. You can check it by watching a classic James Bond flic or All in the Family and keep score of how many things would never be allowed today.
Allowed by *who*?

Also they still make James Bond movies.
04-06-2016 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
The part that is new(ish) and coming mostly from the left is attempts to censor adults by way of infantilizing them, turning arguments away from discussing them by their merits, and instead substituting level of offense taken as a means to restrict free speech.
Who's being censored here? Whose speech is being restricted? Seinfeld doesn't want to play college towns bc kids don't think he's funny. That's not exactly a 1st Ammendment crisis.
04-06-2016 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
FoldN, it seems like you can't wrap your head around the following two things being simultaneously true:

1. College-age students today being less tolerant of differing views than they had been in previous generations (perhaps a result of increased coddling as well as overall political divisiveness?), with some going so far as demanding unrealistic curtails on material they deem offensive i.e. safe spaces.

2. For the most part, these demands not being met by college administrations or being enforced in such a way that actually limits speech or expression.

A couple of years ago at the U of A we had a guy standing on the main mall holding up a sign saying "Women deserve rape" and yelling at them as they walked by. Do you think people had a right to be offended by this? And guess what the administration did? Nothing, citing freedom of speech, though it's unfortunate that no one decided to punch him in his face.
I'd like to punch him in the face too. I expect a judge would go somewhat easy on anyone who did. It is surprising that was allowed at U of A if it was on private property, I would think it would be considered some form of sexual harassment or threatening behavior covered by school codes allowing them to remove him. Maybe also even on public property depending on what the sign actually said. I guess you cluld try and compare it to flag burning and offending veterans, but I don't know if that holds.

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It's hard to see what resolution you want to come from the issue of safe spaces that you are presenting. Hence, in the end you are just a typical old complaining about "kids these days." On a side note, I probably give you more credit than you are due because I always think that your avatar is Ron Swanson until I look at it more closely.
I think it will take care of itself by way of healthy criticism and discourse. I read that Carlos Mencia recently almost got booted from a college for edgy material that offended some people, but after much deliberation the college decided not to. That's a good sign. Maybe the long held belief that if you don't like something, then don't go buy a ticket watch it is finally starting to win out, we'll see.

      
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