So what exactly are you saying here?

It's a problem that people aren't discussing how exaggerated the mainstream views of the holocaust are? How is that not racist or stupid? Do we also need to discuss how Jews lost WWI for Germany?

so like, if a mod was screaming obscenities about Mexicans and threatening to abuse his mod powers, you'd be all in favor of taking action against him, right?

If only you had some sort of PROTECTED AREA where you could say anything you want and not have to deal with criticism.

If you read the rest of the post, and the link I provided, I was clearly saying I don't know much about the Holocaust, and I have no reason to think any of the numbers are off at all. But I'm in the West and we are the good guys. I just don't see the wisdom of denying people the right to talk about it freely, and locking people up who disagree with the party line as they do in many countries in Europe. I doubt it actually solves much. Again, free speech is kind of a big deal.

Foldn, why can't you just say that you think safe spaces have a chilling effect on the expression of certain unpopular opinions that are overwhelmingly associated with a conservative point of view?

Where have I ever asked for this?

It's the opposite of lazy, since it requires more effort than minimally necessary. It's like a closed party list, with a list length of one.

Lol, unless someone wants to to call one of your bros racist.

I agree with that, but it's not just conservative points of view that are being stifled. From the Atlantic article above:

Books being banned sounds a lot like right wing bs to me.

Which books have actually been banned?

I find it hard to believe you read the 30 page Atlantic article you linked.

Right, you don't know much about the holocaust so you think it's "important" to discuss how people are lying about its severity to drum up support for Israel. I'm telling you that that is stupid. Really, really stupid. #FREESPEECH

I think you guys are getting confused with me and other people disagreeing with you. I don't think I've ever called for anyone to be banned, and I've never even reported a post.

That quote isn't talking about banning books.

Am I the only one who thinks people should be free to express unpopular opinions, even terrible opinions? And that college campuses should err on the side of too much speech rather than too little?


There's a line somewhere, and it's not a clearly defined line. That guy who endorsed Cruz while calling for the execution of gays is clearly far on the other side of it. But what about someone who simply says "homosexuality is a sin"? Or even "homosexuality is an abomination"? I disagree, I don't even think there is such a thing as "sin". But why do I get to decide? Why do you?


Shouldn't colleges, of all places, be bastions of free speech? Shouldn't they champion the "marketplace of ideas"? Let everyone talk, even the *******s.

That's certainly fine with me. You're entitled to your criticism and your opinion. I don't think you've accurately characterized what I was saying there, but whatever.

Fair enough. So are you agreeing with the idea of students being able to opt out of class assignments involving reading classic novels because it makes them uncomfortable?

Feel free to explain it.

Tom often gets the credit but it's quite likely he would post here anyway.

It's the politics forum and politics has become rather engrossing in a car crash kind of way.

Who's not being allowed to talk here? FoldN and his traveling circus of Holocaust deniers, alleged date rapists and incoherent babbling shut-ins have been given a free hand to **** up this forum as much as they like for two years. They've even been given their own private safespace subforum where they can look into the exaggerations of mainstream historians.

How about "the blacks are inferior" or "hitler had some good ideas"? I think that colleges have to draw the line somewhere and if "gays are an abomination" is one the lol ur expelled side of the line that's fine with me.

Clearly talking about college campuses and society in general, not 2+2.

I have, and frankly you've been such a vexatious litigant, I have no desire to try again.

Sure, and if that's where the lines were being drawn, I doubt there would be hundreds of articles from both sides of the political isle decrying the state of college campuses today. Again, you're free to read any of them.

I wouldn't be in favor of expelling students for expressing a belief that homosexuality should be a capital crime, but I would accept a professor losing a job because of it.