I never said I had read passages from the Quran about how violent it is. You're making things up or imagining them.

Your response was also "where did I attribute those remarks to you" has now changed to "I think it's quite fair to take that to mean"

So where you attributed them to me or not?

Lol this guy. Maybe in your own mind, everyone else thinks this recent thread activity is the manifestation of your ignorance, and your primordial urge to act a fool.

So when you say this:

you haven't actually read any passages of the Quran to know whether or not there are violent passages there that adherents do or do not follow? How do you know whether or not all these Muslims are taking their faith seriously when you now claim you have never read the Quran?

And as you so perceptively noted, the police have already been invented. Are you displeased that reality isn't like Minority Report, or something?

Goofyballer made a post filled with quotes that aren't mine. You then decided to expand on that and add more quotes that aren't mine.

When I brought up that they aren't mine you said you never "attributed those to me". But then said it was because you remember me saying I read the Quaran and it was violent, which never happened. So you were attributing them to me and lied about it.

So you've made up quotes/ claimed they were mine based on nothing but your imagination.

It's definitely me whose conversing in bad faith here.


The police being in existence doesn't change the fact that the people attacking students or smashing up a building are anti free speech.

Please provide evidence that attacking people or smashing buildings is a standard tennant of the democrats. Or maybe you are assigning the actions of certain people to a wider net of people? Like you do with certain members of the muslim faith?

We all agree. None of us think physically attacking people during a protest is ok.

We DO think that protest is perfectly ok though. Which you seem to have a problem with.

These are already crimes. Society has already set up penalties for those caught committing crimes. It appears you're under the impression that as long as one wears their "L" armband while doing the violence they are immune to prosecution.

Those pretty obviously were not direct quotations. If you think that we have mischaracterized your argument on the relationship between Islam, the religion, and the laws on the books in various Muslim-majority countries concerning homosexuality, then go ahead and clarify. If you think we have an inaccurate inference of your thoughts on Muslim immigration (you have made it clear you don't approve of liberals voicing opposition to those who would seek to restrict immigration), then go ahead and spell out your position.

It only happens with a conservative speaker. It's hardly the political right.

So no then, no way to show that the democrats support protest based violence?

So basically your entire thesis is bull****

I'm not under the impression they're immune to prosecution. But the only groups who attack students for attending lectures or wreck buildings to protest that speaker are the political left, which is anti free speech.

What's obvious is you and GB have deliberately tried to misrepresent and slander my views quite maliciously so I don't have much more time or patience to deal with either of you. I'll happily respond to some others ITT who do act in good faith but you and I are done.

I never said democrats supported it.

If college students aren't protesting liberal speakers maybe its because liberal views don't need to be protested?

Leverage has also been invented my dude.

yeah. like ted lieu said if you dont want bad results dont do bad things.

You talked about this problem being political. Is there another group on the left who has a shot at political power in the US? Because if the answer is no, and the issue is these protests in the US, then how do these fringe groups engaging in violence affect the political chances of a group they are not affiliated with, the democrats?

So I think what most of this gibberish comes down to is: if only the "political left" would start acting more like "political right" it wouldn't be stuck in its current position that Bandit believes to be ethically and/or principally untenable and paradoxical (the position being that the "political left" exercises free speech by way of squashing the free speech rights of others). I mean, clearly life is pretty complicated over here.

br0s, i stopped once i found out there was no idea what free speech actually was or what being anti-free speech meant. no reason to argue with low information topics


you guys keep fighting that fight though.

You're attempt at a gotcha is as bad as your posting, my dude.

Omar had to apologize for some of her tropes and said she would start listening when it comes to anti-semitism. So, yes, my point wasn't refuted by you.

You continuing to use the one non-trope as evidence is funny too

Ok, I agree that this is generally true, and I'm generally opposed to physically attacking speakers, and specifically opposed to most of the cases I'm aware of. However, I don't think there's a significant threat to free speech rights here simply because we're talking about a very small number of people and there already exist strong sanctions against this behavior.

I think it's true that others are applying different standards from you, e.g. I mentioned that they take into account the idea that different groups in western societies are more vulnerable than others. I think when you call it a double standard you're really just saying that you think their approach is illegitimate. From their perspective they are not being inconsistent however, they are simply using a different standard from you.

I think you are giving this idea about the importance of social context too little consideration, even accepting that it's also possible to over-emphasize the importance of this one way of looking at things, and even accepting that some times the people you are arguing against may also give too little consideration to the values which underlie your complaint.