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Old 04-18-2011, 09:59 PM   #61
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Re: Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread

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I love Ron Paul, and hope his Presidential campaign gets the message of liberty out there, but other than ending all our retarded wars, he'd be a disaster of a President if he tried to stick strictly to his platform, and there's no reason to think he wouldn't. Congress can barely pass a budget as it is, does anyone really want a President who vetoes and tries to destroy EVERYTHING not specifically authorized by the Constitution?
If you accept the premise (as I do) that the Guv is deeply corrupted by money and no longer serves the interests of the people, it's logical to support a politician attempting to strip government down to its strict constitutional authority.

Has the government recently demonstrated the ability to provide any legislation beneficial to the greater american people? Liberal causes like gay and womens rights are thrown around like bargaining chips while issues like the environment and wars abroad are swept under the rug. They claim to be balancing the budget and slipped right in these bills are mother****ing "riders" like the UIGEA -continually expanding government powers and stripping individual rights.

It is high time for a "if it's not in the Constitution don't do it" approach.

If you are worried about social programs please consider the immense social benefits of ending our war on drugs, ending the wars abroad, as well as dismantling the fed and getting the banks out of government.

These three issues degrade our society to a much greater extent than most of these social services benefit, so **** it. Let's gamble.

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Old 04-18-2011, 10:12 PM   #62
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If you accept the premise (as I do) that the Guv is deeply corrupted by money and no longer serves the interests of the people, it's logical to support a politician attempting to strip government down to its strict constitutional authority.

Has the government recently demonstrated the ability to provide any legislation beneficial to the greater american people? Liberal causes like gay and womens rights are thrown around like bargaining chips while issues like the environment and wars abroad are swept under the rug. They claim to be balancing the budget and slipped right in these bills are mother****ing "riders" like the UIGEA -continually expanding government powers and stripping individual rights.

It is high time for a "if it's not in the Constitution don't do it" approach.

If you are worried about social programs please consider the immense social benefits of ending our war on drugs, ending the wars abroad, as well as dismantling the fed and getting the banks out of government.

These three issues degrade our society to a much greater extent than most of these social services benefit, so **** it. Let's gamble.

Ron Paul 2012

It'll never happen.
So true. People flipping out about him being a possible creationist or that 'racist newsletter' smear bull**** and ignoring the big potatoes like, idk, BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME & AUDITING THE FED
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:13 PM   #63
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Meekrab what exactly do you fear would happen if RP were president?
Complete economic collapse. Between the fact that he wants to go back to the gold standard (requires devaluing the **** out of the dollar unless we pull trillions of dollars worth of gold out of our asses), end the Federal reserve (destroying fractional banking/credit liquidity), cut the size of the military drastically (making unemployment even worse). There's absolutely no way to do all that at once without destroying the economy. Granted, the nation that would emerge from all those changes 20 years down the line would likely be stronger and more robust than the US currently is, but I don't want to spend my late 20s and early 30s in a third world country.
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LMAO

Ron Paul literally 'calls in' to Dylan Ratigan show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XadwGz8v3ms
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:42 PM   #65
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LMAO

Ron Paul literally 'calls in' to Dylan Ratigan show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XadwGz8v3ms
lol, watch what you say on the news these days, Ron Paul might call in
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i love how the guest pundit actually checked his pockets when the phone started ringing, he had no clue what was going on lmao
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:03 AM   #67
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Complete economic collapse. Between the fact that he wants to go back to the gold standard (requires devaluing the **** out of the dollar unless we pull trillions of dollars worth of gold out of our asses)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Ron Paul: Legalize Competing Currencies

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My conviction is that the hope of returning to the kind of gold standard system which has worked fairly well over a long period is absolutely vain. Even if, by some international treaty, the gold standard were reintroduced, there is not the slightest hope that governments will play the game according to the rules. And the gold standard is not a thing which you can restore by an act of legislation. The gold standard requires a constant observation by government of certain rules which include an occasional restriction of the total circulation which will cause local or national recession, and no government can nowadays do it when both the public and, I am afraid, all those Keynesian economists who have been trained in the last thirty years, will argue that it is more important to increase the quantity of money than to maintain the gold standard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKQmYfY3R7c

Ron Paul in 2007: "I wouldn't exactly go back on the gold standard but I would legalize the constitution where gold and silver should and could be legal tender, which would restrain the Federal Government from spending and then turning that over to the Federal Reserve and letting the Federal Reserve print the money."

No reasonably educated individual has advocated a return to the gold standard for many decades now. What you call a "fact" is actually a falsehood - an unapologetic lie designed to discredit a man whose ideas are eminently reasonable and whom you do a great disservice to by shamelessly spreading this filth. I might as reasonably claim that you have sex with dogs. What gave you the idea that Dr. Paul favors a return to the gold standard?

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end the Federal reserve (destroying fractional banking/credit liquidity)
0/2. Ending the Fed would not entail an end to fractional reserve banking. Although Dr. Paul does oppose the practice, it is a free-market invention and would almost certainly re-emerge in the absence of a central bank. Your fears are unfounded. Why do you think otherwise?

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cut the size of the military drastically (making unemployment even worse).
This is a step in the right direction as it represents both an actual position of Dr. Paul's and an accurate assessment of the consequences of his proposal. Unfortunately, what it ignores is that an increase in unemployment can (and in this case would) yield an increase in production as well, meaning that we could literally continue to pay every soldier the same rate we do now, spend less, and produce more, resulting in an increased standard of living for everyone. Therefore the correctness of your claim is unimportant. Why do you disagree, if indeed you still do?

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There's absolutely no way to do all that at once without destroying the economy. Granted, the nation that would emerge from all those changes 20 years down the line would likely be stronger and more robust than the US currently is, but I don't want to spend my late 20s and early 30s in a third world country.
I submit that you are mistaken, that this fact is demonstrable, and that you should not defend the positions you have here taken. Kindly answer the three questions I've posed if you think otherwise.

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Polls consistently show that Obama's level of support is highest among those who identify themselves as liberal.
We have to support obama otherwise we get Jim demint. Does that mean I'm happy with everything the obama admin has done? God no (poker libya etc) some of us are just realists I would rather have pres obama in 2013 than pres demint or palin or bachmann
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:20 AM   #69
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We have to support obama otherwise we get Jim demint. Does that mean I'm happy with everything the obama admin has done? God no (poker libya etc) some of us are just realists I would rather have pres obama in 2013 than pres demint or palin or bachmann
Did you not notice the title of the thread you're posting in?

Give this a look: Progressives for Ron Paul
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:35 AM   #70
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Re: Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread

If ron Paul got the GOP nod I would give him a long hard look. Not a huge fan of some of his positions but at this point I would probably vote Paul depending on his VP. But he won't get the GOP bid in most scenarios so I don't really think about it much
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:43 AM   #71
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If ron Paul got the GOP nod I would give him a long hard look. Not a huge fan of some of his positions but at this point I would probably vote Paul depending on his VP. But he won't get the GOP bid in most scenarios so I don't really think about it much
The idea of the blog is that you ought to get involved in the GOP primary process if you consider yourself a principled progressive/liberal. Lotta good posts there if you're interested.

This is a good site too: Republican For A Day
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:24 AM   #72
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Re: Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread

I'd rather vote in the democratic primaries but the first blog was a pretty good read
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Re: Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread

There won't be democratic primaries this election.
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:52 AM   #74
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Not for president but congressperson? Ill be honest I've never voted in a primary? I hope nobody laughs ^_^
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But if we cut military jobs, there will be huge unemployment and the economy will collapse. Just look at 1946! All those servicemen came back and there were riots and a Depression due to lack of jobs.
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