There are republicans who could rep their line more credibly than him, imo

I agree with the first part of your statement. But as for getting what you want from him if he ever got the top job - well, legislative power is only one branch of politics.

So, would Limbaugh rather have Obama in the White House or Ron Paul?


I say Obama, as it's much easier to rail against someone not in your own party. Also, there are a lot of policies mainstream Republicans only pretend they're in favor of (less intrusive govt, etc) that Ron Paul is actually in favor of. If he's in office, people might decide they actually like the real thing and stop supporting those who just pretend or they might even decide they don't like it and stop supporting anyone who says they do.

These type of shenanigans took place in several states. The GOP power brokers were terrified of RP/or his positions getting votes at the national convention. The RP people were mostly new to the game and got screwed over pretty badly. Luckily, there are RP supporters who are much more willing and able to fight through the system than I am. For someone as anti-government and anti-two party system as I am, the whole process of joining central committees and electing party officials/delegates is nauseating as hell. The fact that there is a bar at most events helps get me through. I donate, make signs, talk to people, and when necessary, power drink my way through Republican party politics for RP.

I was debating the foxnews reaction to a RP nomination. I think they would rally around a third party candidate.

Foxnews would rally around a military coup.

i don't think you quite get it, why are they able to to "rep their line more crediby"?

Oklahoma has closed primaries

What "opportunity" is he allegedly taking advantage of? He's been saying the same things for 30 years, it's not like he's conveniently coming around to libertarianism to take advantage of current anti-spending and anti-war attitudes.

Ya but the only reason he was saying that stuff 30 years ago is because he knew it'd present him with an opportunity in 2012. HOW DO YOU NOT SEE IT

If you believe he will never sacrifice his principles to stay in power thats fine with me. I see it differently. And only time will tell.

You are probably right. I didn't finish High School.

I like how just a few posts ago this guy was demanding EVIDENCE that Paul ISN'T an opportunist, and his evidence that Paul IS an opportunist is "Only time will tell."

THAT IS REMARKABLE GUY

I gather you think that Ron Paul is a man who will never back down on principle, right?

Cute.

Ignorance means never having to think.

You win the prize.

Doug Casey on Ron Paul

+1

less hope, more thoughtful analysis

Very true. The President only has so much power, and that is exactly why people who aren't satisfied with the government should be voting for him; the country will not and cannot change overnight.

America definitely needs a shake-up, and RP would be a good start.

There is no evidence pointing to this being the case. Ron Paul has always stood firm on his beliefs. Considering how dishonest many politicians are, no reason to pick on RP. He also has no pressure from either party to conform.

There has never ever been a thoroughly Libertarian Government in the history of the human race. What is it specifically that makes you think a Libertarian leader would be any different to any other voted leader?

It probably wouldn't because the a libertarian president would have little power to enact any of the changes he'd sought to make... doesn't mean you can't try though and in the process make progress towards that libertarian fantasyland by exposing people to those ideas and maybe bringing over to the good side.

Negative ****ing Nancies...

Considering the President has limited powers, he'd abide by libertarian principles with those powers. Veto bills instead of being pressured into voting for them like other Presidents, maybe elect a judge for the Supreme Court that is for civil liberties, etc.

Bottom line, RP is not here to win a popularity contest. He's here to facilitate the beginning of change in America before it becomes 1984. It just seems like you have a hunch rather than any evidence suggesting that he'd be like every other President.



Exactly, it's a slow process. RP is just the beginning, albeit a huge step. Garnering recognition of the libertarian ideology and informing people unaware of it is big in itself.

You mean he is here to obey your wishes?


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

LOL, you think RP is here to run as President for the glory? Stop trolling and actually come up with a substantive argument.

Ron Paul has NEVER conformed with one party. He frequently votes against Republican issues, always voting based on a libertarian stance. Plenty of those fools just vote for their party. If he had ever voted against the Constitution, then I'd have reasonable suspicion to believe he will conform.

You still have yet to provide sufficient evidence saying otherwise.

People ITT are here to discuss Ron Paul, and no one has an issue actually discussing him. You are just trolling, so either make an argument or GTFO.

why is anyone still responding to mr "i demand evidence, oh, no, a consistent voting record for 30 years doesn't count, and oh, the only evidence i'll provide for my position is "only time will tell"? please stop responding to him, he is one of the most stupid people to post here, he is just trolling, if you put him on ignore as i just have he will go back to drinking gasoline and doing whatever else caused him to be so incredibly ******ed.

My argument is (and for those who are too lazy to actually read my posts) that voting for Paul is the highest level of ******ation possible because to hope for a Libertarian government is Utopian. Its an argument, see?

That is my reason/evidence. Its a common enough argument among people who are involved in politics. You must live under a rock or be brain dead if you think that is trolling.

carry on...