Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread

[AlexM]

Originally Posted by Paul D

Ron Paul is reported to be a Republican and not a Libertarian itf. What are the opinions itt of that?

Obvious thing is obvious?

[Paul D]

[Fermion5]

lol Krugman

[steelhouse]

Paul Krugman, that guy has been dissed as a take him to the greek clown long ago. Yes, he can talk about Ron Paul behind his back, but he always gets crushed when they have a debate between each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEmKIRqz9AI

He is also too much of a pussy to face Paul or Schiff in a debate. Lets have a competing currency like Paul wants, what the problem Mr. Krugman who is going to pay for your dancers.

The most important part of the debate is the competing currencies part about minute 8:00. They are illegal. Mr. Krugman allow the people to pay for a taco in gold or silver, what are you so scared about.

[74Offsuit]

I'm pretty sure it is legal to pay for a taco in gold, silver or magic beans. People prefer US Dollars for some reason.

Must be hard for Mr. Paul to get a good nights sleep with all that gold stuffed inside his mattress.

[rjoefish]

Pretty sure there are a number of states that still treat gold as an 'asset' under tax laws so that if you just hand over 2.50 in gold for a taco and that's the end of it it would technically be illegal.

[74Offsuit]

Originally Posted by rjoefish

Pretty sure there are a number of states that still treat gold as an 'asset' under tax laws so that if you just hand over 2.50 in gold for a taco and that's the end of it it would technically be illegal.

I stand corrected (I'm not from the US fwiw). In the video Steelhouse posted, Ron Paul seems to be advocating the repeal of legal tender laws which refer to the settlement of a debt, rather than payment for goods or services (like buying a taco).

[steelhouse]

Originally Posted by 74Offsuit

I stand corrected (I'm not from the US fwiw). In the video Steelhouse posted, Ron Paul seems to be advocating the repeal of legal tender laws which refer to the settlement of a debt, rather than payment for goods or services (like buying a taco).

He is referring to ending all of it. The capital gains taxes too. Utah might be a state that allows use of gold and silver (recently passed). But, for the most part if you try to make your own currency you can only do so legally if it matches dollar for dollar.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/pf/s...cies/index.htm

[[Phill]]

There are many competing currencies in America. Krugman doesnt have to "allow" something that already exists and has near universally been rejected by people.

Edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States
knew id find the link somewhere.

[FlyWf]

Originally Posted by rjoefish

Pretty sure there are a number of states that still treat gold as an 'asset' under tax laws so that if you just hand over 2.50 in gold for a taco and that's the end of it it would technically be illegal.

I don't follow. Anything can be bartered for anything else, but you have to pay tax on appreciation.

[illini43]

Originally Posted by [Phill]

Ron Paul isnt a libertarian. He is a states rights Republican. He is perfectly fine with civil rights abuses provided it is states and not the fed doing them.

This is incorrect. RP is not for civil rights abuses...

From wiki, "Libertarianism refers to the group of political philosophies that emphasize freedom, liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with a government of small scope relative to most present day societies or no government whatsoever.

The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines libertarianism as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.[1] Libertarian historian George Woodcock defines libertarianism as the philosophy that fundamentally doubts authority and advocates transforming society by reform or revolution.[2] Libertarian philosopher Roderick Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives.[3] According to the U.S. Libertarian Party, libertarianism is the advocacy of a government that is funded voluntarily and limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence."

There are a variety of definitions of libertarianism, but I believe Ron Paul fits into each one. He constantly cites the states as being able to make their own decision on issues as that is the next logical unit of government in this country. I can't speak for him, but I would guess most libertarians would agree that an even smaller classification unit would be more effective (counties, towns, etc.) than federal or state rule.

A key component to libertarianism is the right to personal freedom and liberty. This holds true as long as one does not encroach on other's rights.

Ex. slavery - a person may believe in the merits of slavery...this belief is fine, however engaging in the practice of enslaving individuals to work (involuntarily) would encroach upon the rights of the enslaved to their body, freedom, etc.

Ron Paul is not advocating for an AC society, but rather a society where the federal government has very limited, expressed purposes...such as some type of court/legal system to uphold the rights of each individual.

[Brons]

Except if the court/legal system disagrees with him.

[steelhouse]

Originally Posted by [Phill]

There are many competing currencies in America. Krugman doesnt have to "allow" something that already exists and has near universally been rejected by people.

Edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States
knew id find the link somewhere.

Krugman is full of it. Competing currencies are illegal and he knows it. Those are all pegged dollars. You can't have your own currency at your own exchange rate. For example, you can't create a gold backed currency and allow it to be used. Most of those have been created within the last 3 years. They are growing because there is one loophole. The money that backs the disney dollar can be invested in gold or stocks for example. Buffet created a sees candy currency, that can be redeemed for 1 lb of chocolate as long as they are not broke.

When I say the average investor pay 47.5% in investment taxes, they actually pay over 70% if you include the dollar printing taxes of banks, congress, and the federal reserve.

[illini43]

Originally Posted by Brons

Except if the court/legal system disagrees with him.

What is there to disagree with?

[Brons]

Ron Paul likes the courts, as long as they hate on the gays.