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Old 06-22-2012, 01:46 AM   #20266
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Re: Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread

hey Fermion, you ever read any of Stefan Molyneux's books? Does he have one that's regarded as his best?
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:03 AM   #20267
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I downloaded Practical Anarchy and Everyday Anarchy and maybe another one or two. I skimmed through them pretty quickly to find things I was looking for. They were pretty disappointing compared to his videos. I do need to make time to read through them front to back.

I was hoping to find a book that was persuasive, easy to read, and focused on morality. A book that you could give to a friend to convince them. Or a book that would serve as a guidebook for how to use to morality to destroy all the arguments for statism. Unfortunately, none of his books do that.

In Stefan's books, he delves into a lot of philosophy and logic arguments against the state. And a lot of how X, Y, and Z would work in a free society. That sort of stuff isn't that useful to me.

He focuses a lot more on morality in his youtube videos than his books. He's done a lot of good debates and speeches. AVTM has some good debate videos too. I enjoy those.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:29 AM   #20268
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The rebels are apparently slaughtering civilians, too.
Do you have any source on this other than Al-Assad himself?
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:38 AM   #20269
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I downloaded Practical Anarchy and Everyday Anarchy and maybe another one or two. I skimmed through them pretty quickly to find things I was looking for. They were pretty disappointing compared to his videos. I do need to make time to read through them front to back.

I was hoping to find a book that was persuasive, easy to read, and focused on morality. A book that you could give to a friend to convince them. Or a book that would serve as a guidebook for how to use to morality to destroy all the arguments for statism. Unfortunately, none of his books do that.

In Stefan's books, he delves into a lot of philosophy and logic arguments against the state. And a lot of how X, Y, and Z would work in a free society. That sort of stuff isn't that useful to me.

He focuses a lot more on morality in his youtube videos than his books. He's done a lot of good debates and speeches. AVTM has some good debate videos too. I enjoy those.

Have you read or browsed his book On truth - the tyranny of illusion? After a really casual glancing at reviews, it looks like it may be one of his more popular and well received books. I like his videos, but my internet isn't the fastest so I have to suffer through some buffering, and his vids aren't short, so I'd like to read some stuff he's written, but I really greatly prefer physical books over ebooks. I can't really read ebooks imo.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:44 AM   #20270
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You know, a good book that I'm currently reading might fit your bill on the kind of book you're looking for. Libertarianism in one lesson by David Bergland is concise, pretty well written, and does a good job of not only putting focus on morality, but also lays out utilitarian arguments. It's pretty short and I'm about halfway through it.

Some minor quips with some of his writing, a bit redundant in parts, some parts could maybe have used more editing, and there doesn't seem to be any citations, which is always a pretty big negative for me, but aside from those issues, the book seems to be pretty good imo.
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Do you have any source on this other than Al-Assad himself?
If you speak German you can read the original, here:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/n...-11776496.html

here are some accounts in Dutch
http://opinie.deredactie.be/2012/06/...gen-van-houla/

here is a report from a French monestary, in French
http://www.maryakub.org/Article_dern...vril_2012.html

I hate to give NRO any hits
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ohn-rosenthal#

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the massacre occurred during this time. Those killed were almost exclusively from families belonging to Houla’s Alawi and Shia minorities. Over 90% of Houla’s population are Sunnis. Several dozen members of a family were slaughtered, which had converted from Sunni to Shia Islam. Members of the Shomaliya, an Alawi family, were also killed, as was the family of a Sunni member of the Syrian parliament who is regarded as a collaborator. Immediately following the massacre, the perpetrators are supposed to have filmed their victims and then presented them as Sunni victims in videos posted on the internet.
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The FAZ report echoes eyewitness accounts collected from refugees from the Houla region by members of the Monastery of St. James in Qara, Syria. According to monastery sources cited by the Dutch Middle East expert Martin Janssen, armed rebels murdered “entire Alawi families” in the village of Taldo in the Houla region.

Already at the beginning of April, Mother Agnès-Mariam de la Croix of the St. James Monastery warned of rebel atrocities’ being repackaged in both Arab and Western media accounts as regime atrocities. She cited the case of a massacre in the Khalidiya neighborhood in Homs. According to an account published in French on the monastery’s website, rebels gathered Christian and Alawi hostages in a building in Khalidiya and blew up the building with dynamite. They then attributed the crime to the regular Syrian army. “Even though this act has been attributed to regular army forces . . . , the evidence and testimony are irrefutable: It was an operation undertaken by armed groups affiliated with the opposition,” Mother Agnès-Mariam wrote.
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There's also been a rash of suicide bombings in Syria as well. I mean it's really fundamental that in this region any armed uprising against a dictator is going to at a minimum be quickly joined by crazy religious elements, if not started by them. Assad is Alawite, a small Muslim minority, he is allied with the other Alawites, Shia, and Christian minorities. Sunnis are a majority, and sectarian tensions obviously run deep.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/wo...pagewanted=all

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There was no immediate claim of responsibility. But the attack put a spotlight on the growing involvement of Islamic jihadists in the fight against the government of President Bashar al-Assad, particularly those from an Iraqi branch of Al Qaeda that has been openly agitating to join the fray. That prospect raised fears that Syria was heading into the kind of chaos and bloodletting that plagued Iraq and served as a training ground for terrorists.

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A broad group of people engaged in the fight in Syria — including opposition activists, community organizers and outside analysts — said they had noticed a jihadi mind-set and vocabulary among opposition fighters.

Where once accounts of foreign gunmen seemed to be more rumor than fact, there have been reports of non-Syrians dying in the fight, and statements from some armed elements of the opposition are no longer quite so emphatic that they want foreigners to stay home. Experts compare what is happening in Syria to similar nascent phases in Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and northern Mali, where a radicalized domestic core of fighters, eventually supplemented by foreigners and veterans of other jihadi conflicts, gradually swelled into a dangerous, anarchic insurgency
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That prospect raised fears that Syria was heading into the kind of chaos and bloodletting that plagued Iraq and served as a training ground for terrorists.
You mean, the bloodletting and terrorist training that was because we attacked them?
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:34 AM   #20274
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i thought Everyday Anarchy was good, as well as the follow up book, Achieving Anarchy, i read these a long time ago, so i dont remember all the arguments but they were solid imo
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Rand Paul is a confirmed g. i think Rudowski might me using these videos as a chance to **** Abby Martin

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these wearechange videos can be entertaining
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what an awkward fake conversation!
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:29 AM   #20278
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Re: Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread

I voted for RP in the primary (I never voted in my life since I don't vote for evil) and will write his name in in November unless who goes to the dark side by then (hopefully not). Also I learned about more liberty candidates so I will write their names as well since they dont make it on the ballot (stupid rules the founders would be ashamed of)
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I voted for RP in the primary (I never voted in my life since I don't vote for evil) and will write his name in in November unless who goes to the dark side by then (hopefully not). Also I learned about more liberty candidates so I will write their names as well since they dont make it on the ballot (stupid rules the founders would be ashamed of)
Cool story bro.
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I voted for RP in the primary (I never voted in my life since I don't vote for evil) and will write his name in in November unless who goes to the dark side by then (hopefully not). Also I learned about more liberty candidates so I will write their names as well since they dont make it on the ballot (stupid rules the founders would be ashamed of)
Why does it matter what the founders would or would not be ashamed of?
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