Originally Posted by MikeGotNuts
Quick summary on the logic of posters so far:
Ron Paul is not that popular. I know this because of the results of the straw polls... Straw polls are under contention for being fraudulent. I haven't looked into it at all but LOL silly Ronulans, Ron Paul just isn't that popular! Don't you see that for your argument to be at all reasonable you need to: a) have other points of data besides straw polls that show Ron Paul is not that popular and/or
b) show why claims of voters fraud hold no weight.
So straw polls are nonbinding votes carried out in person. I think you're actually being dismissive of just normal public opinion polls carried out by private companies who pride themselves and stake their reputation in the marketplace on conducting scientific public opinion polls using industry standard methods like random sampling, split-sampling the questions, field testing questions and preference tests for non-bias, accounting for response bias by conducting the poll via telephone (including calling of mobile numbers) and using automated machines to collect the responses.
These companies also deal heavily in the private, non-political market to conduct market research but their results in the political world are judged by private actors to make purchase decisions. So we can have some confidence they're using the best available methods and practices to ensure an accurate result so that they can be a reputable and profitable opinion research outfit to market actors who rely on reliable research to make impactful business decisions.
Those polls, conducting in the private market by private market actors, provide reams of significant data over two Presidential runs separated by four years that in fact, Ron Paul is not popular.
Now something like 75 separate election results, again over two different Presidential election cycles, also provide significant data that in fact, not many people like Ron Paul.
I suppose there exists the potential both these private polling companies and vote counters in many states and literally thousands of local jurisdictions are all in cahoots to understate and undercount Ron Paul's true vote totals and levels of support, a conspiracy that would touch on no less than thousands or tens of thousands of people. But I think it more likely Ron Paul just isn't popular bro.