Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread - Page 1192 - Politics and Economics

MissileDog · 02-16-2012, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexM

No, you and ILP are the anarcho-slaverists.

As for capitalism, I've decided I want to use your definition. This means, of course, that ACists don't support capitalism at all and we'll have to just call them "anarchists". So we have the real anarchists and the anarcho-slaverists.

This is just LOLtastical. Besides the fact you just made up three more "special" little words in your private patois, and just denied about 200 years of history... I really got to ask...

What do you expect to accomplish by making up your own little language? That's the one thing I have never understood with youz guyz... what exactly is your payoff? What do you get outta your exercise?

TomCollins · 02-16-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sholar

I don't recall the libertarians rallying behind Russ Feingold. He even hates NAFTA, just like Paul!

I was unaware he was a pro-liberty candidate. I know him for McCain-Feingold and that's about it, which is enough to cast doubt on him being worthy of support, but maybe I'm just ignorant of the guy. I was ignorant of Paul until about 5 years ago. Why would Feingold be a good choice (besides agreeing with Paul on a conclusion, but possibly for much different reasons).

I am genuinely curious.

VayaConDios · 02-16-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TomCollins

I was unaware he was a pro-liberty candidate. I know him for McCain-Feingold and that's about it, which is enough to cast doubt on him being worthy of support, but maybe I'm just ignorant of the guy. I was ignorant of Paul until about 5 years ago. Why would Feingold be a good choice (besides agreeing with Paul on a conclusion, but possibly for much different reasons).

I am genuinely curious.

Feingold was by far the most vociferous opponent of the Patriot Act in Congress, and the only Senator who voted against it.

FlyWf · 02-16-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by snagglepuss

fly,

is the obama administration and its doj actions and policy in the war on drugs racist?

No.

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is the obama administration's current foreign policy and its 'war on terror' racist?

No.

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how many more muslims must be murdered in unconstitutional strikes until you would go 'well, maybe obama is a racist?'

This question makes no sense.

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how many more black youth need to be imprisoned in private prisons and have their lives ruined over non-violent crimes that involve a substance that has been shown to be far less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco until you might go 'well, maybe obama is a racist?'

Again, this makes no sense. The drug war is not an Obama initiative, and paleoconservative libertarians making this sort of disparate impact argument for racism is such an amazing concession of all their most treasured arguments about race, affirmative action, etc.

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or do you just tell yourself he is at the behest of larger institutions and that he is not racist himself, but merely a puppet of the real racists?

No?

I was just making fun of how awful this argument style was and you saw that as a cue to remake it?

It's never going to make sense. Also this is the Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread?

Edit: Guys, after you tell people about how convincing you find David Duke's views on race to be, how the CRA is tyranny, and how Loving v. Virginia was an activist judge redefining marriage, or how you don't even care if Ron Paul is racist you'd vote for him anyway... this little spiel about the racist drug war is not going to "cancel that out" or whatever you seem to think. It just seems comes off as weird and disingenuous. Just some constructive criticism on rhetoric for y'all.

krmont22 · 02-16-2012, 11:39 AM

fly,

What are your positions on the war on drugs and the war on terror?

FlyWf · 02-16-2012, 11:42 AM

They are both unwinnable, immoral, and counterproductive. Significant parts of the war on terror are illegal.

krmont22 · 02-16-2012, 11:52 AM

What is Obama's position on them?

Paul McSwizzle · 02-16-2012, 11:56 AM

had a long conversation yesterday with a fellow political junkie that I met while hiking. we both agreed that we liked RPs message more than the man himself, and that it was frustrating that his followers were unwilling to concede that he is not perfect.

krmont22 · 02-16-2012, 11:58 AM

I think the minority thinks he is perfect.

**MrWookie** · 02-16-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by krmont22

What is Obama's position on them?

One that Fly and I strongly disagree with. You guys have tried to spring this same "trap" on us at least a half a dozen times ITT.

krmont22 · 02-16-2012, 12:02 PM

I am not trapping anyone. I don't know what his position is at all. Everyone gets so defensive and thinks this is like some game of who wins the message boards. I want to actually learn things.

TomCollins · 02-16-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VayaConDios

Feingold was by far the most vociferous opponent of the Patriot Act in Congress, and the only Senator who voted against it.

Good for him. I'm curious what his reasoning was. Are there any other things he did that we might like?

I could see supporting a Democratic candidate that was in favor of social net type programs, but is against wars, spying, etc... Tolerate leaving or even expanding the least offensive programs while attacking the worst ones would be a net positive.