Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread

[LirvA]

Idk, but he received a **** load of money from them during is pres campaign

[Low Key]

Anyone with a serious chance of winning would, too.

[LirvA]

I like to think that there's a few people in this country that wouldn't engage in fascism like that imo.

[krmont22]

The monsanto guy was put in charge of the FDA in 2009, appointed by Obama. Also funny, on wikipedia right now Monsanto is listed as the Monsanto Cancer Company.

[MissileDog]

Originally Posted by krmont22

They would not have as many loans to review and sign if they didn't give them away. Also, they should hire more employees to actually do due diligence. Increasing profits at the expense of following the law with no criminal penalty does not lead to anything positive.

So you are in favor of more governmental oversight, more effective governmental regulations and more governmental penalties on privately owned businesses? Why do you wanna penalize and hold back the most hard working and productive people in our society -- the private business owners?

Originally Posted by Regret$

Lets be clear here lou, if you or I falsified documents in court under oath we would be thrown under the prison (for our crimes against society, err, I mean crimes against the banks). That's what robo signing is/was. Falsified documents. Wonder why none of the oath sworn notaries in jail now? I wonder why the banker's council didn't tell them it was a horrible idea to do this? Maybe, they already knew they would get off with a slap on the wrist and nothing else to do it.

Sorry for derail all, but basically **** Obama. My opinion stands in my mind.

So you are in favor of more governmental oversight, more effective governmental regulations and more governmental penalties on privately owned businesses? You feel Obama's administration doesn't do enough oversight, regulation, and extract enough penalties from private business owners already? Why do you wanna penalize and hold back the most hard working and productive people in our society -- the private business owners?

Originally Posted by krmont22

+1 They might also face criminal charges, which would be nice. People dump waste to save money and are punished with fines. There is no incentive to stop.

So you think the governments punishing private business owners with fines is the way to solve problems? You feel the governments know whats good for ourselves, instead of letting private business men who understand how the "free market" works, are the answer? I assume you are in favor of 'growing' government to solve the rest of our problems too. Why do you wanna penalize and hold back the most hard working and productive people in our society -- the private business owners?

[krmont22]

MD,

You are funny. I am saying the exact opposite. I want less major corporations, more small businesses, and actual criminal charges instead of fines.

[LirvA]

Originally Posted by krmont22

Also funny, on wikipedia right now Monsanto is listed as the Monsanto Cancer Company.

lolz

[MissileDog]

Originally Posted by krmont22

MD,

You are funny. I am saying the exact opposite. I want less major corporations, more small businesses, and actual criminal charges instead of fines.

So you want governmental regulations on how large a private business owner can 'grow' his own business. And let me guess who gets to decide when a privately owned business gets too big -- the same governments you wanna have expropriate the excess, amirite?

And you want to throw private business owners in jail, thereby removing the hardest working and most productive people from our society, and thereby insuring they cannot work to even provide restitution... just because they break one of these interferences and regulations that the governments are strangling the "free market" with.

Why do you hate freedom so much?

[LirvA]

Originally Posted by MissileDog

And you want to throw private business owners in jail, thereby removing the hardest working and most productive people from our society

MD, aren't you against private business ownership?

[krmont22]

I have no problem with companies growing very large as long as they are not favored by the government through lobbying, favorable legislation, subsidies, bailouts, etc. I want less government control and regulations. I certainly don't want the government saying a company is too big. I do not want a government allowing a failed company to stay big by bailing it out.

If you violate the rights of others and cause harm, you should be criminally punished. Allowing people to make absurd amounts of money, but only punishing them by taking some of the money away provides no motivation to stop the violations.

[SL__72]

Originally Posted by LirvA

MD, aren't you against private business ownership?

He is against their employing people, not their existence.

[MissileDog]

Originally Posted by LirvA

MD, aren't you against private business ownership?

I'm playing the devils advocate, basically giving the standard libertarian line. You know, let the "free market" decide, don't take away incentives from private business owners by expropriating them if they are successful, that the unintended consequences of government regulation are always worse than the problems they were intended to solve, that private business owners are the hardest working and most productive people in society... stuff like that.

Stuff that krmont22 is arguing against ITT. Like this...

Originally Posted by krmont22

I have no problem with companies growing very large as long as they are not favored by the government through lobbying, favorable legislation, subsidies, bailouts, etc...

But the only way to do this is more governmental regulations. Regulations to restrict their political contributions and "revolving door" connections. Like in the US, a constitutional amendment to say business owners over a certain wealth limit cannot participate in the political process, on penalty of prison.

... I want less government control and regulations...

Wat? Didn't you just contradict yourself?

... I certainly don't want the government saying a company is too big...

OK, so who do you want to say when a business is too big... the Pope perhaps?

[General Tsao]

Originally Posted by LirvA

MD, aren't you against private business ownership?

Originally Posted by SL__72

He is against their employing people, not their existence.

err no, he's against people owning them. instead, he wants people to own them.

[MissileDog]

Originally Posted by General Tsao

... he's against people owning them. instead, he wants people to own them.

Gems like this are why you are my favorite blogger on this BBS. Happy Valentines day my General! I love you guy; ; Don't ever change!

[krmont22]

There is no person who should ever have a say that a company is too big. They can get as big as they want, but if they fail, the government does not help them.

The only regulations we need are ones to prevent individual rights being violated. When the government provides help to corporations through tax money it violates not only the individual citizens but also the small businesses who also paid those taxes. Laws should apply to everyone equally.