lol idk, if i vote i'm going to see if i can get an absentee ballot cause i dont want to make the effort to actually go to the polls

OK I searched and found this:

https://voterlookup.elections.state....tersearch.aspx

I'm registered but not enrolled in a party.

Well because their ideas are less sustainable. A good lie needs it's spats of truth here and there, and then maybe it can pick up again.

It's kind of like.. a basketball coach (I forget who) when asked who he'd rather play next round answered "whoever loses". That's kind of how I think about the elections. Whoever emerges in the statist process is necessarily best for that process.

If Ron Paul wins, this would be an effect of real progress rather than a cause of it imo. So it might be exciting that he's able to win, but actually doing it is a misdirection of that excitement, and it'd be better still if he wasn't there (and statism had to use someone else, and the people supporting RP were doing free market things with their time and money).

Eventually the market has to overwhelm the state imo, rather than getting rid of it from the inside.

I'm not too sympathetic given that their collusion with the state has artificially inflated their wages in the first place. It's silly to complain when the mad dog you've been keeping as a pet turns on you.

yes, well said jeff!

+1, I had never heard that particular argument from him but it makes a lot of sense. Basically theft is taking something of someone else's without their approval. I don't approve of the government taking my money but since someone else made a law, guess what, I have to fork it over.

Unfortunately the mad dog is going to chew up not only the doctors but everyone else too.

Ron doesn't seem inclined to make any effort to sugar coat his views, which is pretty awesome as far as the debates are concerned.

He is way more assertive in these interviews. I don't think I've ever seen him say "Let me finish!" before.

He's also gotten much better as calling people out for stupid questions. He now often says "what you're implying is...which is ridiculous because..." which I think is pretty good as opposed to directly answering questions like "would you have opposed the CRA?"

Huckabee is out of the running. Should be good for Paul's chances.

Also, Ron Paul will be on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace.

I think I'll make this my signature on another forum.

As this is a politics forum, where does all the logic and sound judgment come into play with RP. Politics is the process of convincing those against you, to now support you. Sure, in the echo chamber of liberty, RP gets the same turnout as say a Glenn Beck does. He's the messiah, look at him go. He's gonna be on _______, we all have to see it. Not far removed from a rock star's newest single, or an unannounced concert. but if logical thought is his forte, then his act is illogical, its not designed to convince those against him, to now support him.

So a debate spectacle will somehow convince the general population to discard what they currently think, to just jump on a cult themed political movement? With a wacky leader?

That is a serious question, because its the one that would be asked by Joe & Mary Sixpack, before they could place an X beside someones name. Politics is not logical, maybe in the realm of theoretical discussions (the great thought experiment) it may be, but not in the real world. To even attempt to argue it should be, is an illogical thought.

He has a great deal of good ideas, but they are wrapped in a package not desirable by a majority. His kid also makes him more wacky everyday, the old adage, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, is damaging.

****ing sickening


faux news is a ****

how do you think most of his supporters in this forum came to like him? it wasn't by him sugar coating his views.

He believes that Americans are accepting of his views, or will be when they hear them, therefore its logical to present them as simply and straightforward as possible. Whether he's right or not, IDK, I think he is, and that's why I think he has a shot this time, but IDK - I bet the 2008 supporters felt the same way in 2007.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...te-schwarzkopf

I guess where I was going was, for this Liberty Campaign to gain some serious traction, his message needs to be tailored for a wider audience, one who is currently involved in the electoral process. If this forum is a microcosm of general Libertarians, they don't vote. Then to preach, like a parent would to a wayward child, about all the bad things out there, and then state a proper position that should be taken, isn't palatable to teenagers, let alone 40+ adults.

The problem I see, is if his message becomes tempered to attract a larger audience, his current core will consider him to be a sell out, and then condemn him for it. Brings me back to Politics 101, the need to convince the non-believers, generally requires a certain amount of compromise. At a maximum during the "suckup" phase, the election.

Amazing that 1992 never happened until the 2010 midterms. How many of those same outsiders will be looking for new jobs after the 2012 general?

The Perot video is amazingly close to Herman Cain's idea of debating.

Libertarianism is not a "cult", and the compromises have already been made. You want Ron Paul to abandon libertarianism to have a better chance at being elected, but that will only undermine everything he's trying to accomplish. But thanks for the condescension. You have nothing interesting to say.

Ron Paul Interview On Fox News Sunday 5/15/11

Ron Paul does not have ANY chance...

He is 77 years old...
He is 77 years old...
He is 77 years old...

And he tops out at 10% of Republican vote...
And he tops out at 10% of Republican vote...
And he tops out at 10% of Republican vote...

And he is a pure-as-snow ideologue...
Which means facts don't matter...
When they contradict his ideological beliefs.

That said, Ron Paul = Good Thing.

he's got a 20 or 30 to 1 shot. If you believe he has no shot, then bet me at 100 to 1.

I'd take 20:1 for Republican nomination, but it would have to be priced in gold.

lol "johnny come lately"

good answer to that last question, IMO.

I like how now he's always controversial when they introduce him.