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03-21-2017 , 01:52 PM
Resistance Action Items 3/21/2017
We need all hands on deck to oppose AHCA. All the other stuff is great too, but we're making opposing AHCA the top priority for now. So try to call your three Reps today and oppose AHCA. Here's a short script:


https://twitter.com/jkkowalski/statu...44522681577474

www.contactsenators.com
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
03-22-2017 , 11:33 AM
Resistance Action Item 3/22/2017

Today is the day people. Call your Representative. Tell them to vote NO on AHCA tomorrow. http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
03-22-2017 , 11:11 PM
It's gonna be better tomorrow!

03-24-2017 , 08:48 PM

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/845371949022941184
03-25-2017 , 12:45 AM
Special election for Tom Price's house seat in Georgia, in the Atlanta suburbs, is coming up in April and most likely runoff in June. It should be a good test for the resistance. Price carried the district easily, Trump carried it but underperformed, and yet D Ossoff is polling in the lead there. GOP super pacs are pumping the money in against him. If he can pull it off, it might be a spark for 2018.
03-25-2017 , 02:18 AM
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They had never really cohered around an anti-AHCA message. (As recently as Wednesday, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi was still using the phrase “make America sick again,” which most Democrats had abandoned.) They’d been sidelined legislatively, as Republicans tried to pass a bill on party lines. They’d never called supporters to the Capitol for a show of force, as Republicans had done, several times, during the 2009-2010 fight to pass the Affordable Care Act.

Instead, Democrats watched as a roiling, well-organized “resistance” bombarded Republicans with calls and filled their town hall meetings with skeptics. The Indivisible coalition, founded after the 2016 election by former congressional aides who knew how to lobby their old bosses, was the newest and flashiest. But it was joined by MoveOn, which reported 40,000 calls to congressional offices from its members; by Planned Parenthood, directly under the AHCA’s gun; by the Democratic National Committee, fresh off a divisive leadership race; and by the AARP, which branded the bill as an “age tax” before Democrats had come up with a counterattack.

Congressional Democrats did prime the pump. After their surprise 2016 defeat, they made Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) the outreach director of the Senate caucus. Sanders’s first project was “Our First Stand,” a series of rallies around the country, organized by local Democrats and following a simple format. Elected officials would speak; they would then pass the microphone to constituents who had positive stories to tell about the ACA.

“What we’re starting to do, for the first time in the modern history of the Democratic Party, is active grass-roots organizing,” Sanders said in a January interview. “We’re working with unions, we’re working with senior groups, and we’re working with health-care groups. We’re trying to rally the American people so we can do what they want. And that is not the repeal of the Affordable Care Act.”
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03-25-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/845371949022941184
i have a bad feeling that health care was a fluke. The resistance had nothing to do with its failure as far as I can tell. It seems like it was mostly extremist tea partiers who demanded even more dead poor people in the streets and didn't get their way.
03-25-2017 , 01:03 PM
They could have passed AHCA with the tea party defections, which I believe numbered 20 or so. According to pundits, these Freedom Caucus guys have been something of a constant thorn in the side of the House GOP. So in some sense, their opposition was already baked in. You should give the resistance some credit for creating a situation where the GOP couldn't get it over the finish line without most of that caucus, i.e. where 10+ center right guys folded under pressure.
03-25-2017 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
i have a bad feeling that health care was a fluke. The resistance had nothing to do with its failure as far as I can tell. It seems like it was mostly extremist tea partiers who demanded even more dead poor people in the streets and didn't get their way.
^this

all the talk about townhalls making an impact is such bull****, they pushed this bill IN SPITE of all those angry olds. the only thing that moved the needle was the ideological split with house GOP and the freedumb caucus/libertarian types, and the cucking of donald trump by the koch bros with their announcement of a special re-election fund for people who vote no
03-25-2017 , 06:31 PM
Jesus, and I thought I was a pessimist.

The whole reason the Kochs and the Freedom Caucus killed the bill was because it contained some the coverage the peeps at the town halls demanded. If it had been a bill that the staunchest of conservatives liked it would have had even fewer Rep's supporting it. Those town halls played a huge roll is saving the ACA because people let their elected representatives know that total repeal without a comparable replacement was unacceptable.
03-25-2017 , 07:18 PM
this AHCA bill was a comparable replacement? LOL
03-25-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
this AHCA bill was a comparable replacement? LOL
Can we take this semantic quibbling response as an assent to the broader point he made (which is obviously correct)?
03-25-2017 , 07:49 PM
If your contacting you're Congressman, going to town halls, organizing to prepare to get out the vote, then you're not doing nothing. Can quibble about how much any specific thing effects another but it's not doing nothing.

Personally I don't the #TheResistance had much to do on this specific bill but the continuous push is going to move the needle.
03-26-2017 , 01:54 AM
Trump and the Republicans WILL sabotage ObamaCare if given the chance. It's time to push for Universal Health Care, like every other civilized country.

03-26-2017 , 10:43 AM
Was the problem with AHCA that it was too brutal or not brutal enough? What would a passable version of AHCA looked like?
03-26-2017 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Was the problem with AHCA that it was too brutal or not brutal enough? What would a passable version of AHCA looked like?
Both. While the narrative going around is that the Freedom Caucus killed it, by my count it was only 15 Freedom Caucus members that were against it out of 35-40 total Republicans being against it. Republicans could afford about 20 defections, but no more than 22. Republicans tried to change the bill to make it far more cruel at the last minute to please the Freedom Caucus, but in doing so they risked (and likely lost a few votes from) the so-called "moderate" conservatives--people who didn't want to vote to take away Medicaid from a huge portion of their constituencies, putting their seats into peril in 2018.

That's one of the great difficulties of Ryan's job. Anything remotely reasonable is going to piss off the Freedom Caucus, and anything that is extreme enough for the Freedom Caucus is going to have problems with the more human members of the Republican House and Senate. It's going to be very tough going getting anything through especially since Trump is so unpopular and Democrats feel no political pressure to work with him at all.
03-26-2017 , 10:55 AM
Now having said all that, this is not the time to sit back and relax. Trump and the Republicans WILL actively work to sabotage ObamaCare, make no mistake about it. We must alert people to this as well as push for Universal Health Care--there's never been a better time to make the case for it. The major problems with ObamaCare were from states that chose not to expand Medicaid, leaving a huge gaping hole in coverage--a hole where working and middle class families ending up suffering bigly. We have to fix that hole and cover those people, and the best long-term way to do that is Universal Health Care.
03-26-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Can we take this semantic quibbling response as an assent to the broader point he made (which is obviously correct)?
no, it's not obviously correct. the freedumb caucus and the kochs opposed the bill because of the federal subsidies that it still contained. the town hall olds who were gonna get their premiums jacked up and lose their part D had little to no impact on turning any republicans against it. that this bill qualified as a suitable alternative to ACA is preposterous, and most R's were ready to vote for it anyway
03-26-2017 , 11:40 AM
The bill failed for a number of reasons (the main one being that it was just utterly terrible for the American people) but I do believe #TheResistance helped in this fight. By shifting the paradigm early, phone calls and town halls and protests made a straight-up repeal totally unpalatable. This is a big reason why the Freedom Caucus was against the legislation in the end--they wanted a straight-up repeal of ObamaCare with no subsidies or essential benefits. Even with a big majority, there was no sense even very early on that such legislation could pass because too many parts of ACA are very popular when people actually considered losing them. The protection for people with pre-existing conditions, the marketplace exchanges, the subsidies, the essential benefits so you know you're not getting a crap plan and paying $100's a month for it. Letting young people stay on their parents' insurance until 26. I do believe many Representatives didn't want to vote to take Medicaid away from tens of thousands in their districts. It was going to be politically very tough for them--old people do vote. Every major association was against this bill, which made a big difference. The AARP has a lot of political sway in this country.

So at the end of the day there were a number of reasons but I really do believe peoples' voices made a difference. We have to keep applying pressure--we can't back down and believe we are in the clear because technically ObamaCare is still the law of the land. The law continues to face court challenges, and HHS Secretary Tom Price is one of the biggest haters of ObamaCare. He will sabotage the law from the inside, and Trump and prominent Republicans (e.g. Lindsey Graham) have already promised to help him do this.



This is who is our President. A man who would rather collapse the health care system of the country he was elected to lead, to score some political points. Rather than actually working to make the system better (He promised a great system that would insure everybody at an affordable price! He promised never to cut medicaid! He promised health care for all! And he promised those things immediately!)

One of the most effective ways Republicans were able to defeat ObamaCare was by sabotaging it, and they have become incredibly effective at doing so. Now that the court cases are controlled by Trump, he can simply refuse to defend whenever portions of the law are sued in court. Thus negating parts of the law without it even having to be declared unconstitutional by a judge.
03-26-2017 , 11:41 AM

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/...69855167676421


https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/...78265732788224
03-26-2017 , 11:45 AM
Will D's cave in if/when R's manage to tank ACA?
03-26-2017 , 11:57 AM
Yeah, that Obamacare death spiral is gonna kick in ANY DAY NOW, and when it does we'll all be sorry. Republicans sure done tricked us!
03-26-2017 , 12:02 PM
The sabotage of ObamaCare is very real and it has been very effective, even with President Obama in office defending the law vigorously. For example, this key 5-4 Supreme Court decision allowed states to refuse the Medicaid expansion. This was never the original intent of the law, and it left many folks in a "Medicaid blind spot" in these states that refused the expansion.

http://medicaidexpansion.com/medicai...supreme-court/
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On June 29, 2012 the courts threw an unforeseen curve in the Affordable Care acts, Medicaid Expansion plans. While each state had to abide by the individual mandate rule, or face a Health Insurance Tax, they still get to decide how the would participate regarding Medicaid Expansion. Medicaid is regulated on state by state level, and as such does not have to abide by Federal regulations.

Medicaid participation has solely been at the choice of the states. In the Supreme Court ruling, a 5 to 4 majority of justices ruled that the federal government couldn’t require states to accept the law’s Medicaid Expansion program, stating the threat that states refusing to take part in the programs expansion would lose all federal Medicaid funding was unconstitutional.

The result of the ruling could undermine Barack Obama’s goal of expanding health insurance to more Americans within the United States, through Medicaid Expansion. It was estimated that many of the individuals that are expected to gain coverage were expected to do so within the expansion of the States Medicaid programs.
03-26-2017 , 12:17 PM
Medicaid expansion money is also an incentive for states to take it. At the state level the politics are swayed a bit differently than nationally, and grassroots plays a role in this obviously. I think Kansas might take it, and after that every red state running a deficit will be itching go back on their "principles." So from that stand point, the expansion sabotage may be fleeting. But there are other dirty tricks they can do for sure.

ETA: I think they'll probably accept the expansion after rendering the exchanges useless (i.e. driving the last insurer out of the marketplace) and doing some meaningless form of repealing regulations, they'll accept Medicaid expansion, and claim that they covered more people than Obamacare.
03-26-2017 , 11:25 PM

https://twitter.com/zuriberry/status/845991296732987392

      
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