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01-30-2017 , 10:47 AM
When Obama banned Iranians, where were you protesters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM
01-30-2017 , 11:14 AM
Obama chose those countries, why aren't you mad at him?

Why hasn't Trump banned all the biggest muslim countries? Isn't he a bigot enough, my dear bigoteers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVnqerWUHg
01-30-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
Obama chose those countries, why aren't you mad at him?

Why hasn't Trump banned all the biggest muslim countries? Isn't he a bigot enough, my dear bigoteers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVnqerWUHg
It's Groundhog Day for dumb people.
01-30-2017 , 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clovis8
It's Groundhog Day for dumb people.
It's so much easier to call people names than actually argue

You are just a puppet
01-30-2017 , 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kypreanus
It's so much easier to call people names than actually argue

You are just a puppet
It's already been argued. Read the ****ing thread
01-30-2017 , 11:49 AM
Kyp,

It was hard to organize to protest the terrible things Obama did because people didn't want to undermine him and help the much worse Republicans.
01-30-2017 , 11:50 AM
Be aware of these "Rules for Conservative Forum Posting" and don't fall into their traps. Use the ignore list wisely, it can be your best friend.

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TACTICS FOR EFFECTIVE CONSERVATIVE BLOGGING By Karl Rove

Engage

Demand an elaborate, time-consuming comparison / analysis between your position and theirs.

Entangle

Insist that the Liberal put their posts in their own words. That will consume the most time and effort for the Liberal poster

They will be unable to spread numerous points on numerous blogs if you have them occupied. Allowing a Liberal to post a web link is too quick and efficient for them. Tie them up. We are going for delay of game here. Demoralize Dismiss their narrative as rubbish immediately.

Do not even read it. Once the Liberal goes through the trouble to research, gather, collate, compose and write their narrative your job is to discredit it. Make it obvious you tossed their labor-intensive narrative aside like garbage. This will have the effect of demoralizing the Liberal poster.

It will make them unwilling to expend the effort again, and for us, that is a net win

Attack

Attack the source. Any Liberal website or information source must be marginalized, trivialized and discounted. Let the blogosphere know that Truthout.org, thinkprogress.org,
the nation and moveon.org are Liberal rubbish propaganda. Discredit Liberal sources of information whenever possible.

Confuse

Challenge the Liberal position with questions, always questions. The questions need not be relevant. The goal is to knock the Liberal poster off their game, and seize control of the narrative

Once you have control you can direct the narrative to where you want it to go, which is always away from letting the Liberal make their point. Conversely, do not respond to their leading questions. Don't rise to their bait. Contain Your job is to prevent the presentation and spread of Liberal viewpoints.

Do anything you must do to prevent a Liberal poster from presenting a well-reasoned argument or starting a civil discussion.

Don't allow a Liberal to present their dogma unchallenged EVER. Intimidate Taunt the Liberals.

If you find yourself in a debate with a Liberal where you are losing a fact-based argument
then call them a name to derail their diatribe. Remember your goal is toprevent a meaningful exchange of views and ideas which may portray Liberalism in a positive light.

Your goal as a conservative blogger is to stop the spread and advance of the Liberal agenda. Play upon any identifiable idiosyncrasies, character flaws, physical traits, names, to their disadvantage

Monitor

other posts for vulnerabilities you can exploit. Stay on the offensive with Liberal wimps. Don't let up. Insult their Movement Assign as many character and moral flaws toLiberals as you can. You must portray Liberals as weak, vacillating, indecisive, amoral, baby killers, unpatriotic, effete snobs, elitists, Leftists, Commies, sense of entitlement, promiscuous, union lovers, tax raisers, Welfare Queens, Socialists, lazy, sex-obsessed, druggies, Jesus haters, moochers, troop hater,.etc. Always use these negative epithets when referring to, or describing Liberals / democrats.

Deceive

Identify yourself as a moderate, centrist or independent. It will also cause Liberals to lower their guard a bit, which gives you an effective opening. This may also have the effect of aligning conservative viewpoints with the real moderates we are attempting to reach.

It may serve to influence some moderates over to the Republican side. Patriotism Always claim the high ground of pro-military, low taxes, strong defense, morality and religion. We own those virtues. Learn how to exploit them when debating

Demean

Always refer to the other side as Liberals, Lefty Liberals, Libbies. Never assign them the status of a bona-fide political party. Hang Liberalism around their neck like a burning tire. Make Liberalism appear as a moral turpitude or a character flaw. They are NEVER, NEVER to be referred to as the Democratic Party. At best it is the democrat party. Never assign them respect


Opportunity

Be alert for ways to insert our catch phrases into your narrative. You will receive your daily list of talking points and topics that we want you to cover. Consistent, persistent repetition and inculcation will drive our talking points home and so will neuro-linguistic programming. Stick with it and our talking points will become truth. If they debunk your talking point, ignore it, and move on as if you didn't hear it.
01-30-2017 , 12:01 PM
Skimmed a bit but couldn't find anything, is there any sort of website that would detail protests, when and where to show up?

I want to go down to Dulles today but I can't figure out whether people are still there, I'm sure there are other events down in the district today as well but I don't really know how to get hooked in other than twitter search
01-30-2017 , 12:03 PM
If you're not ignoring right-wing trolls on sight, you're doing it wrong.
01-30-2017 , 12:07 PM
Anyone in any political organizations? I'm not a joiner, but have been sitting in some meetings. So far it's been radical stuff that will probably get me sent to Siberia, but next is the somewhat mainstream Americans for Democratic Action. They are mostly Democrats, but not part of the party and not tied to only party candidates, but mostly support progressive Dems. They organize phone banking and direct action and work with a bunch of other groups.

Any thoughts on them or other groups?
01-30-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by watevs
Skimmed a bit but couldn't find anything, is there any sort of website that would detail protests, when and where to show up?

I want to go down to Dulles today but I can't figure out whether people are still there, I'm sure there are other events down in the district today as well but I don't really know how to get hooked in other than twitter search
There was some discussion about sources of info on upcoming events a little while back. Maybe the thread could have a sticky for links?
01-30-2017 , 12:12 PM
Are there any veterans specific "resistance" groups? I know there was some mobilization for DAPL.
01-30-2017 , 12:13 PM
You could actually get more people join up your cause, if you actually countered the opposing points with arguments, and stopped being a partisan puppet

If you actually demonstrated when Obama was doing this stuff, you would get some credit
01-30-2017 , 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by watevs
Skimmed a bit but couldn't find anything, is there any sort of website that would detail protests, when and where to show up?

I want to go down to Dulles today but I can't figure out whether people are still there, I'm sure there are other events down in the district today as well but I don't really know how to get hooked in other than twitter search


Protests are like the wave, just show up and start it. People will follow.
01-30-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
If you're not ignoring right-wing trolls on sight, you're doing it wrong.
My bad, but I don't really care about a convo with the troll. I was really addressing everyone and no one.
01-30-2017 , 12:17 PM
If you weren't emotional crybabies and would actually stick to principles, you would get some sympathy the moment you get tear gassed

Don't be an useful idiot. These forums seem to attract all kind of looney post-poker boom non-rational SJWs - gl on your journey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ
01-30-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Are there any veterans specific "resistance" groups? I know there was some mobilization for DAPL.
I saw a guy with a "Veterans for Peace" shirt. The internet tells me they have 140 chapters.
01-30-2017 , 12:20 PM
Signalling countries to have increased vetting in the future =/= banning people that have already been vetted and gained legal status, and the former does not even logically lead to the latter, generally or legally.

That's the best I can do to quash the 'but obama' nonsense in 1 sentence. It helps having a family member who is an immigration attorney.
01-30-2017 , 12:20 PM
History Repeats Itself - Useful Idiots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TENT35ApovE
01-30-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Signalling countries to have increased vetting in the future =/= banning people that have already been vetted and gained legal status, and the former does not even logically lead to the latter, generally or legally.

That's the best I can do to quash the 'but obama' nonsense in 1 sentence. It helps having a family member who is an immigration attorney.
90 days =/= ban
01-30-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
When Obama banned Iranians, where were you protesters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM
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So what’s the difference with Trump’s action?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, had been a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and also impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce there was a ban on visa applications. In fact, as seen in Napolitano’s answer to Collins, administration officials danced around that question. There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had been slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it was their policy to halt all applications. Even so, the delays did not go unnoticed, so there was a lot of critical news reporting at the time about the angst of Iraqis waiting for approval.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/
01-30-2017 , 12:25 PM
Shame Trolly mentioned that a lot of the organization is still done through mailing lists. One place to find them is riseup.net. There are thousands, and most will be unhelpful with little to no traffic, but if you're willing to spend a bit of time digging you can probably find something local to you that is active and suits your personal goals.

https://lists.riseup.net/www/
01-30-2017 , 12:28 PM
My understanding of 2011 Obama Iraq visa situation: program was never halted. Responding to a specific threat, applications in process but not approved were re-vetted. This slowed approvals for 6 months.

Bigly difference between that and what Trump did.
01-30-2017 , 12:28 PM
If you do find good lists that you think others in the thread may benefit from, please share.
01-30-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
90 days =/= ban
You acknowledge I'm correct, so now your next and final test is this:

90 days in jail =/= life imprisonment

Your next post that isn't 'touche' should get you banned.

      
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