It can be funny as well.

Goddamit it was that controversial Like A Prayer video with Leon.

Moral Monday in North Carolina seems like it would be a great model to start with.

Moral Monday is an excellent example and I totally agree with people saying we should be out in the streets. I'm an "all of the above" guy myself, but above all do something. Doing something is always better than doing nothing. One thing you can do is just meet people in real life and have civil conversations with them where you express a factual and rational viewpoint of the economy and Trump. It's something that they're not necessarily exposed to at all. Relationship building is going to be a big part of this--winning people over in online arguments just doesn't have the same dynamics to it, and will never be a proper substitute for really putting in the hours face to face with people.

Tillerson confirmation vote is today. Let's flood those Senators offices with phone calls. Here's one of many good reasons to vote against Tillerson:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonM..._change_denial

Removing superdelegates won't make the process democratic. Caucuses are un-democratic, they disenfranchise a lot of people. I'd rather we got rid of those.

The simple truth is that a vote once every four years is not the end-all-be-all of democracy. There's the little matter of governing in between presidential elections, not to mention actually staying informed and fighting against callous propaganda and smear campaigns against one of the best we've ever had.

calling your elected leaders is just as effective and easier/quicker. when the aid picks up the phone, give them your zip code if they don't ask for it (they are trained to ask for it):

this link lists contact information for every Senator:

http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

use this link for determining your representative in the House:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

set a monthly calendar reminder to call your Senator and Rep. when the aid picks up i tell them i have 3 or 4 points i want to get across and then patiently list them. the office keeps a tally on the issues/points callers are making.

to the contrary. the Dem superdelegate structure in its current form goes against the very concept of democracy. i'm alarmed you don't see this.

I seriously wonder how burned out these people are going to be in 3 years. They'll teally have to turn to the coffee drugs and energy drinks to get them to push through the summer and fall of 2020, especially if the race is close or Trump is leading it

Lol. Trump breathes oxygen. BOYCOTT OXYGEN!!!

Pretty sure he extracts it from the water in his sleep chamber where he tweets at night.

Breaths it haha y'right

Give me one example of a perfectly democratic organization to your liking? Does one exist?

If you look closely enough, in every situation some people have more sway, set the agenda, or count for more votes. That's by design because you have to REWARD the people for actually being there every day rather than once in an election year. Otherwise there's no incentives to keep in touch with the party. You can't have a serious political movement on fanatical ideology alone. You need people who come to the office every day and deal with aspects of government the public can never fully grasp or even have attention for.

Regardless, if you believe the system is undemocratic, that has nothing to do with HRC's nomination. She was deserving of it as much as bernie, if not more, even if harry reid didn't tip the scales in Nevada. It troubles me that you don't see that. Developing a chip on your shoulder because you feel slighted in some way while ignoring that both candidates agree on 99% of policy is how you end having nothing of what you want.

What fanatical ideology?

I do love the deflection of people telling other people their behavior is why they voted for trump. It is the ultimate shirking of responsibility and manages to demonstrate they had no legitimate reasons to vote for him.

I'm saying your leaders are not just going to be people fueled by unwavering belief in the purest democracy. They should be professionals, they should know how governments actually work, which isn't democratic on a day to day basis, and you should trust their judgement on such matters, while they are pushing progressive agenda you are interested in.

So by 'fanatical ideology' you meant 'progressive agenda'?

lol good point.

And I'm not really clear on how a relatively small percentage of delegates not being bound to follow a popular vote equates to leaders having or not having an unwavering belief in pure democracy. Is 85% democracy what we need?

I do agree that more of the government should be run by professionals though. Having thousands of political appointees is absurd. Politicians reach down 4 or 5 levels into the org chart and that should be cut to 2 or 3 imo.

No. the agenda of what I want accomplished at the legislative level is not the fanaticism of "bernie or bust", "superdelegates are the opposite of democracy", or "either we win or it's time for revolution".

The democratic party is still a political party and not whatever you think it is. Complaining that it goes against the concept of a democracy is silly because no one expects it to work the way you think it should.

Oh yeah, speaking about what folks can do NOW...

There are over 200 peeps facing felony charges in DC. If they are convicted and sent off to prison for years... there goes our effective right to assemble and speak right out the window. This heinous overcharging is unprecedented. A line has been drawn on the street. Civil society needs to cross that line en mass.



The so-called justice system is incredibly fragile. It can be disrupted quite easily using NVDA. One very successful tactic is bankrupting the jurisdiction. Think 200 show trails each costing upwards of $1M each because of added security. Ain't going to happen... big government will wilt under that kind of financial pressure.

These upcoming show trials need to be disrupted. If they aren't... well I'm an optimist, so I won't say we are all doomed. But just because I won't say it, doesn't make it false.

ETA: Not sure if I have a good source, but it seems there were 69 jury trails in DC in 2014. IIRC in the state of WA there were ~200 a year c.1999. There were ~600 victims of mass arrest from the WTO protests insisting on their right to a speedy and individual jury trial within 30 days. Big government punted, and everybody walked.

So I just mis-posted this in the "Post here whenever Trump makes America greaterest again" thread, or whatever, so the first part of th ebelow relates to a derailment in there about the affordability of housing.

The second part is topical here.

You're suggesting that no one expects the Democratic Party to operate without superdelegates?

Society is breaking down when even bikers can't get respect

not sure what you're trying to get across here.

Ethics lawyers bringing lawsuits against trump's unconstitutional presidency