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07-25-2014 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
Well that and news coverage is much different now. Even though we have fewer incidents these days, we hear a lot more about them. Many people will equate more coverage w/ more crime despite the evidence to the contrary. There is some stupidity involved in making that association, but I think that kind of stupidity was probably also abundant int he 60s and 70s. There was just not a bunch of nonstop news coverage on the TV and internet for the stupidity to act on.
It's all fearmongering. People grossly overestimate the rate of crime and it leads to grotesque policy well beyond child supervision. Both myself, my younger brother, and everyone we grew up with went around playing outside entirely unsupervised in the late 80s & early 90s. In fact, both of my parents worked full-time jobs and once I was 10 or so (and my brother 8) we went to school ourselves, walked home, and spent the remaining afternoon riding bikes, playing outside, and took care of ourselves alone for about 3 or 4 hours every single day. That's right, no babysitter (we of course had one when younger). If you have a 9-year-old kid that cannot do this, congratulations on being a terrible parent. No, really. The other side of this is not even worth engaging seriously.
07-25-2014 , 04:22 AM
Oh apparently I am off topic heh

I know nothing about reason.com except libertarians run it. On that basis alone it cannot be readable.
07-25-2014 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
Well that and news coverage is much different now. Even though we have fewer incidents these days, we hear a lot more about them. Many people will equate more coverage w/ more crime despite the evidence to the contrary. There is some stupidity involved in making that association, but I think that kind of stupidity was probably also abundant int he 60s and 70s. There was just not a bunch of nonstop news coverage on the TV and internet for the stupidity to act on.
its also quite possible that the danger had decreased and it is unwise to let 9 year old play by themselves.

Talking to people like my parents who think it sad that its now too unsafe to let kids out alone I suspect their bigger mistake is about how safe it used to be. If the reporting then was the same as it is now then they wouldn't have let me out alone then either.
07-25-2014 , 06:18 AM
nah, i'm sure something about the year 2000 brought out all the pedos and baby thieves that were biding their time
07-25-2014 , 06:32 AM
Seems like Reason was like Rand Paul. Spouting derp until they wanted to become more mainstream so they switched to more respectable output.
07-25-2014 , 07:33 AM
Reason is obviously not denying the supposed Holocaust.
07-25-2014 , 07:43 AM


Oh, wow.

Edit: oh, I see you guys have it covered in the reason thread.

Last edited by Trolly McTrollson; 07-25-2014 at 07:51 AM.
07-25-2014 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
I the ad on the left. Small fortunes in penny gold stocks! These guys haven't changed their business model one bit, have they? Scamming racists and gun-hugging survivalists is always going to be a thing, I guess.
07-25-2014 , 10:05 AM
"Reason" from the 70's is quite revealing.
07-25-2014 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
...These guys haven't changed their business model one bit, have they? Scamming racists and gun-hugging survivalists...
Sure, unless gold inexplicably became inedible during civil disorder... some things will never change.

However, we shouldn't loose sight of the fact that while LTers love themselves some conspiracy and goldbuggery... neither the scam-meisters ads, nor the sheeple's subscriptions, are what's paying the bills at these LTer 'Think Tanks'.

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Originally Posted by SourceWatch
...According to the Reason Foundation's 2009 Internal Revenue Source 990 return form, it took in $6 million in donation income against $6.7 million in expenses, with only $639,236 in subscription revenue and $113,575 in ad revenue...
07-25-2014 , 10:12 AM
ikes, like, when you run a "Special Revisionism Issue" including a whole ****load of writing by notable Holocaust deniars, you don't get to semantikes about how clever you were that you kept your crew of Holocaust deniers to just hinting around the edges at the supposed execution of 6 million Jews.
07-25-2014 , 10:13 AM
The Little Green Footballs had a Road to Damascus moment at some point and he switched from like, borderline Jihad Watch-esque Islamophobia to the "pointing and laughing at the **** conservatives read" beat.
07-25-2014 , 10:29 AM
Jesus fly, give it a rest. It doesn't count as holocaust denial unless it says "SPECIAL HOLOCAUST DENIAL EDITION" on the cover.
07-25-2014 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
ikes, like, when you run a "Special Revisionism Issue" including a whole ****load of writing by notable Holocaust deniars
No holocaust denials in that issue. Try again.
07-25-2014 , 10:40 AM
So where does the Reason Foundation's money come from?

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Originally Posted by Greenpeace
According to the 1999 Reason Foundation Annual Report, top funders include: C. Boyden Gray and David Koch... the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the JM Foundation, Charles G. Koch Foundation, Lilly Endowmet, Scaife Family Foundation, Sarah Scaife Foundation, Smith Richardson Foundation, and the Sunmark Foundation... American Farm Bureau Federation, American Forest and Paper Association, American Petroleum Institute, American Plastics Council, ARCO Foundation, BP Amoco, CA Building Industry Association, Chemical Manufacturers Association, Chevron Corporation, Chlorine Chemistry Council, Clorox, Coca-Cola, American and Continental Airlines, Daimler Chrysler Corp, Dow Chemical, Eastman Chemical, Edison Electric Institute, ENRON, Exxon Mobil, FMC Corporation, Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Kimberly-Clark, Koch Industries, Koch Materials, Eli Lilly, Microsoft, National Air Transportation Association, National Beer Wholesalers, National Soft Drink Association, Pfizer, Inc, Philip Morris, Procter and Gamble, Shell Oil, Sun America, Union Carbide Corporation, United Airlines, Western States Petroleum, Watson Land Company, Whole Foods Market, Winston and Strawn.
And where does all that money go? Well... some of it goes to SPN, and some of it goes to ALEC.
07-25-2014 , 10:44 AM
Just telling some "alternative history".
07-25-2014 , 10:45 AM
Whole Foods? Is this some second-level trolling?
07-25-2014 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Whole Foods? Is this some second-level trolling?
Whole Foods is about as anti-worker, and anti-union, as you can get. The owner, John Mackey, is an out-of-the-closet LTer. The Koch bros, Reason Foundation, ALEC, etc.,etc., are all 100% up his alley.

Whole Foods CEO Welcomes Climate Change, Warns of Fascism
07-25-2014 , 10:59 AM
lolol happiest set of grocery store workers I've ever gone to
07-25-2014 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Whole Foods? Is this some second-level trolling?
'Don't be fooled by names' is the moral of this thread.
07-25-2014 , 11:18 AM
WTF difference does it make? Both rank high on WOAT atrocities. Does the actual rank really matter?
07-25-2014 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
No? There's a wide range of estimate in Russia. I could get on board with maybe more or probably more in concentration camps, but far, far lower is just wrong.
Oh let's definitely trust the guy who just went to bat for ****ing Holocaust denial on these figures.

IKESY
07-25-2014 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Whole Foods is about as anti-worker, and anti-union, as you can get. The owner, John Mackey, is an out-of-the-closet LTer. The Koch bros, Reason Foundation, ALEC, etc.,etc., are all 100% up his alley.

Whole Foods CEO Welcomes Climate Change, Warns of Fascism
Yep, he sure sounds like the Koch brothers, pushing that welfare net, environmental and animal welfare regulation, and pro-abortion agenda down our throats.

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Originally Posted by from your own link
I often self-identify as a "classical liberal." I am pro-choice, favor legalizing gay marriages, protecting our environment, enforcing strict animal welfare protection laws (I've been an ethical vegan for 10 years), marijuana legalization, having a welfare safety net for our poorest or disabled citizens, and a radically reduced defense budget and military presence around the world. However, I'm also a conscious capitalist—I believe economic freedom and entrepreneurship are the best ways to end poverty, increase prosperity, and evolve humanity upward. I believe that all forms of socialism have been proven over time to result in a loss of both economic and civil liberties, with increasing poverty.
The epitome of capitalism run amok!
07-25-2014 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
lolol happiest set of grocery store workers I've ever gone to
Personal experiences ftw.

http://grist.org/news/seattle-mayor-...its-low-wages/

"McGinn contended in a letter that the nonunion Whole Foods pays “significantly lower” wages and benefits than other grocery stores, including some already in West Seattle. So the idea of allowing Whole Foods to go in there violates the city’s social and economic justice goals."
07-25-2014 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
This is deeply semantic. If you compare true concentration camps (and exclude death camps like Treblinka, Chelmno, Birkenau, etc.) with just the gulag, you would probably find that more people died in the gulag (over a much longer time period). But this is a pointless comparison to make, because both Hitler and Stalin killed way more people in other ways.
Youre right, that is deeply semantic. However if youre talking about how the holocaust is a conspiracy and in the next sentence say that more people died in the gulag youre clearly referring to the death camps too (besides, in deniers minds there were no death camps anyway).

      
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