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07-24-2014 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Well, OK then. I have big balls and I'm saying you didn't have anywhere near as much freedom as you're claiming at the ages you state.
And you're wrong. I just spoke with my mother. She confirmed my recollection. She ran a pre-school and was also an elementary school teacher, fwiw. She might have some idea about what is and isn't safe for nine-year olds. There's obviously no point in saying any of this, though, since you have made it clear that you are just going to choose to believe what you want to believe.
07-24-2014 , 03:37 PM
Lol ZZ, pretty pathetic that you can't possibly imagine a life different from that way you grew up. I'm in no way "misremembering" my childhood. I know exactly where I lived and what I regularly did at different ages. Riding to the beach alone, or with a couple friends the same age, between my 3rd and 4th grade years happened virtually every day.
07-24-2014 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
...At six five I walked to school without my parents and by nine 12 I was riding my bike to the beach nearly every day during the summer (about 5 miles from my house). Also, you are laughably wrong saying it wasn't normal for 3rd and 4th graders to go off on their own... I grew up in San Diego btw, and this was completely normal for everyone in my neighborhood.
I'm guessing we grew up in the same 'hood.

I agree that it was completely normal for 3rd graders to go off on their own... to school, or the school yard after hours, or the neighborhood park, or the nearby canyons, public pools, stores, movies, etc (but you'd sure better be back prompt for dinner time).

However, leaving the 'hood, including biking to the beach, or hiking ~5 miles away in the canyons, wasn't normal until... I'd say after 6th grade.
07-24-2014 , 03:54 PM
I lived between 5 and 805 a little south of Palm Ave. We would go straight up Palm to IB all the time during the Summer. Before ZZ claims that I'm remember something that happened later, I moved to Santee during 4th grade and I sure as hell wasn't riding my bike to the beach from way out there.
07-24-2014 , 04:01 PM
Just stopping by to say I was out riding bikes all summer long during my early grade school years, or building forts, or playing football with other kids in the neighborhood, or whatever. Confirmed never raped, abducted, or even harassed. Not once. Ever.
07-24-2014 , 04:07 PM
Ditto. Was exactly 3rd grade when I could ride my bike all over town as long as I was home by streetlight o'clock.
07-24-2014 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
I lived between 5 and 805 a little south of Palm Ave...
I guessed wrong, I grew up in the north city. In fact, the freeways (EWN), and the canyon (S), were the de-facto kid wandering zone limits. After 6th grade, the wander-zone was generally wherever you could get on your bike or the city bus... and for-sure get back prompt by dinner time.

Although about the same distance, the bike ride to/from the beach wasn't (and isn't) suitable for most 9yos.

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07-24-2014 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
Lol ZZ, pretty pathetic that you can't possibly imagine a life different from that way you grew up. I'm in no way "misremembering" my childhood. I know exactly where I lived and what I regularly did at different ages. Riding to the beach alone, or with a couple friends the same age, between my 3rd and 4th grade years happened virtually every day.
I can imagine it just fine, and I more or less believe your claims that you were riding your bike 2 (not 5) miles down a major 4 lane thoroughfare at that age to go to the beach alone. But man, that's really unusual, and would have been unusual at any point in the past 75 years. That's a very long leash for a 9 year old.
07-24-2014 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
more or less believe your claims that you were riding your bike 2 (not 5) miles down a major 4 lane
Lol you donkey are you seriously trying to contradict me again about what I did? Google map Marzo st. to Seacoast Dr & Palm Av. You will find it's over 5 miles if you go straight North to Palm from Marzo
07-24-2014 , 04:40 PM
Story checks out. Looked like ~two without mapping specific directions. :shrug:

Back to the issue at hand, do you think that's normal for a 9 year old? Do you think that was normal in the past? If so, when?
07-24-2014 , 05:26 PM
You've heard from several people itt who state that it is normal. I know it was normal for my family and my peer group growing up. I also know it was normal for my parents when they were kids. So yeah it certain seems to fall within the range of normal.
07-24-2014 , 05:41 PM
Beyond the argument of normal, the question of should we send someone to jail for a night and their child in protective custody for 17 days is far more relevant.
07-24-2014 , 05:51 PM
Right, the question here is whether leaving your 9 year old in a park constitutes endangerment. That is just massively lol.
07-24-2014 , 05:59 PM
a park full of kids and parents that's a 6-minute walk from home with a cellphone, in the daytime

a park that the kid walked to on her own or with friends on a regular basis

They had a program at the park where free breakfast and lunch was provided for kids playing there. But yeah, call CPS. Dealing with those people is no big deal as long as you're in the right. They get it right every. single. time. They're really well known for that, in fact!!!
07-24-2014 , 06:03 PM
Theoretically, calling CPS should be a reasonable move when one is in doubt about child abuse/neglect. Like, IDEALLY, they will adequately investigate and dismiss most all unfounded claims.

I'd argue that they get it right far more often than most would imagine ITT and IRL, but the media doesnt cover successful CPS investigations, so we end up with a pretty warped perspective as a society.
07-24-2014 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Story checks out. Looked like ~two without mapping specific directions. :shrug:

Back to the issue at hand, do you think that's normal for a 9 year old? Do you think that was normal in the past? If so, when?
http://www.youcaring.com/help-a-neig...harrell/204837

at least 1330 people and counting think it's normal
07-24-2014 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Theoretically, calling CPS should be a reasonable move when one is in doubt about child abuse/neglect. Like, IDEALLY, they will adequately investigate and dismiss most all unfounded claims.

I'd argue that they get it right far more often than most would imagine ITT and IRL, but the media doesnt cover successful CPS investigations, so we end up with a pretty warped perspective as a society.
All true, of course. Certainly, they get it right the vast majority of the time. When they don't get it right, though, it's devastating, so it's pretty damned important to not jump the gun. I'm sure JackAaron's call first, ask questions later policy has jammed up more than a few people who didn't deserve it.
07-24-2014 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Grima21
50 years ago....
A 9-year-old in the park was not something that required police attention.
A weekly poker game was not something that required police attention (not attention, but maybe attendance, but that is another issue).

I have not seen anything in my lifetime that would indicate that either of these should be changed. If you feel differently, that is your prerogative, but I refuse to live in that version of America.

Edit: And, yes, I do have kids, FWIW
Way less than 50 years ago. Lol @ needing to supervise a 9-year old in a park. The only thing that has changed is stupidity of people.
07-24-2014 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by heater
http://www.youcaring.com/help-a-neig...harrell/204837

at least 1330 people and counting think it's normal
You're talking about two different things. I don't really care about Reason's latest click-bait story that was carefully curated to elicit maximum rage with minimal facts. If I can take the story at face value (dubious), then what happened to the girl and her mother was clearly wrong.

I'm questioning the assertions itt that it's totes normal for 9 year old kids to be wandering wherever they please with no adult supervision.
07-24-2014 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jackaaron
I could cite human trafficking reports, but honestly, when people cite things they're biased.

I mean, how hard is it for someone to google "OHIO HUMAN TRAFFICKING ON THE RISE"

Anything I cite would be from that search anyway, maybe you could try something like, "OHIO HUMAN TRAFFICKING MYTH" or whatever you wish to search.

They've cracked down on it hardcore over the past few years, but the point is that leaving your 9 year old in a park in 1977 and leaving her in the park in 2007 are completely different.

Without me leading you, can you not think of reasons why that would be the case? Why 1977 in, for example, Toledo Ohio would be different than 2007 in Toledo Ohio? Same with Columbus, Cleveland, Dayton, and Cincinnati? If you can't think of reasons why, does that not strengthen my argument (i.e. you are not seeing the obvious)? Maybe it doesn't...

And, yes, I would still call the cops before I called you. You can sort it out with the cops and children's services on your own.
Instead of being needlessly vague, I think it would be a good exercise for you to actually follow through on some of your own suggestions. Doing so may give you a better grasp of reality. Specifically, I highly recommend that you do the following:

1. Google "Ohio human trafficking on the rise" and try and locate data from that search that shows there are more child abductions now than there were circa 1977.

2. Explicitly state the reasons why you think 2007 Ohio is more dangerous than 1977 Ohio.
07-24-2014 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SrslySirius
When I have children, I'm going to lock them in their rooms 24/7 and feed them through a slot in the door. This will keep them safe from drugs and pedos and enable them to become well-adjusted members of society.
How will you get those 18 years of free chores out of them?
07-24-2014 , 07:46 PM
On the topic of differences between 1970's and now, do you think Reason would do an entire issue focused on denying the Holocaust in the 2000's?

Because they sure did in 1976!

http://pando.com/2014/07/24/as-reaso...special-issue/
07-24-2014 , 07:52 PM
Well that's the same guy who straight lied about reason supporting apartheid, so 0.1 percent chance this is true? Let's find out!
07-24-2014 , 07:57 PM
And confirmed. 3 authors with ****ty histories. Zero holocaust denials quoted until it goes off the deep end citing other works. Oh well, try again.

      
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