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07-13-2014 , 11:12 AM
I don't think RowCoach knows what "grift" means
07-13-2014 , 11:14 AM
I think the most compelling argument for what L.Ron, and by extension the Paul Family Business/Long Con, really are... is Christian Dominionism, of the Rushdoony kind.

The hypothesis fits like a glove, in every way imaginable. Also... L.Ron knew Rushdoony personally, and Rushdoony's son-in-law was L.Ron's chief-of-staff back in the day.
07-13-2014 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RowCoach
What's that, a Paul did well in a poll?

Never seen that before!
07-13-2014 , 11:15 AM
Like, Rand Paul writing fundraising letters to bumpkins saying that he needs their money to stop the UN from taking their guns is not the same as Clinton hosting a fundraiser for whatever organization. The Clintons' aren't conning their marks. The Pauls' are.

And, again, that's the charitable view. The less charitable view is that Rand Paul believes the **** he writes in fundraising letters, in which case he is an insane racist moron. Just like his Daddy.
07-13-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I think the important principle at play here is that the Clintons are for better or worse selling themselves to corporate gathering speaking gigs and NBC whereas Ron Paul uses his name to sell race war agitation to America's troglodytes.
Right, grift implies a certain lack of awareness on the part of the mark. I don't think that applies to the 5k dinner crowd but makes a lot more sense for the rowcoaches of the world.
07-13-2014 , 11:24 AM
Rand honestly believes that the problem with guns is that law abiding people in the inner city dont have enough of them. Let that sink in.
07-13-2014 , 11:37 AM
Listening to Rand Paul answer a question during an election cycle about whether he would like to repeal the CRA is like listening to a young Republican from Louisiana talk about abortion rights while in college at Swarthmore. The young Republican is nominally pro-abortion rights while in college because the opposite position is no way to get laid at Swarthmore. But once he gets out of college and moves back to Louisiana . . .
07-13-2014 , 11:46 AM
I don't think people like RowCoach fully appreciate(because of that weird bubble-inside-a-bubble that is the Ronulution) how unusual it is for someone to cosign onto the Amero/NAFTA superhighway/UN is taking our guns ****:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...half_of_a.html

Like, Perry and Cruz will dogwhistle that **** to friendly crowds without media present, Rand and Ron just ****ing saying it. That letter in that link is an ENORMOUS LIABILITY. People will ask him about it. He won't have a good answer.

Row, I know you don't care because Rand was just trying to raise money....

But that's what we're telling you. Grifting is the family business.
07-13-2014 , 02:26 PM
Guys, it isn't hard to say that Chelsea is benefiting from being a Clinton while Ron Paul and Rand Paul grift the racists.
07-13-2014 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Guys, it isn't hard to say that Chelsea is benefiting from being a Clinton while Ron Paul and Rand Paul grift the racists.
That's exactly what it is. The Clinton's aren't grifters, they're corrupt. This **** with the speaking views is them peddling influence, and Chelsea's NBC contract was them selling access. That's not a con or a scam, though. It's hucksterism, not grifting.
07-13-2014 , 04:10 PM
Where did all the Rand Fands go? I'm curious to hear how this straw poll is totally different and more meaningful than the ones his daddy won or took second in.
07-13-2014 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Guys, it isn't hard to say that Chelsea is benefiting from being a Clinton while Ron Paul and Rand Paul grift the racists.
I don't think anyone is disputing that. It's just that what Chelsea does is irrelevant to the topic of Rand Paul. It's an obvious distraction play.
07-13-2014 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Glad to see "LOOK, LOOK, OVER THERE..." is as much of a part of the L.R&nd fanboi playbook as it was of the L.Ron fanboi playbook.
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
...It's an obvious distraction play.
07-13-2014 , 05:43 PM
07-13-2014 , 11:40 PM
Ikes, would you admit that this who CRA mess is Rand Paul's own fault? Literally all he had to do was when the reporter asked him if he supported it say "yes" then when the reporter said "but...?" Respond "but nothing. I support the CRA. Period." None of this would be happening if Rand Paul answered that question the way all non-neo-confederates do. Instead he went on a long meandering monologue about the rights of the poor racist business owners. Whether he "clarified" his position later on doesn't matter. Its not a position that should ever need clarifying.


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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I don't think people like RowCoach fully appreciate(because of that weird bubble-inside-a-bubble that is the Ronulution) how unusual it is for someone to cosign onto the Amero/NAFTA superhighway/UN is taking our guns ****:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...half_of_a.html

Like, Perry and Cruz will dogwhistle that **** to friendly crowds without media present, Rand and Ron just ****ing saying it. That letter in that link is an ENORMOUS LIABILITY. People will ask him about it. He won't have a good answer.
I could see Paul getting through the primary as a signatory to documents as absurd as this. The type of people who vote in republican primaries often believe that ****. However it definitely wont endear him to the elites that care about electability.




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Originally Posted by FlyWf
That's exactly what it is. The Clinton's aren't grifters, they're corrupt. This **** with the speaking views is them peddling influence, and Chelsea's NBC contract was them selling access. That's not a con or a scam, though. It's hucksterism, not grifting.
Yeah pretty much. Like nearly all of the actual left im not a fan of the Clintons (see Hitchens 'no one left to lie to' from before hitch jumped in bed with the neocons). But influence-peddling and pandering to/hustling the gullible and racist are two entirely different things.
07-14-2014 , 01:05 AM
Rand Paul HAS TO BE drawing dead to be POTUS.

And I mean DEAD.
07-14-2014 , 09:59 AM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...3#.U8PiJLm9LCR

Rand Paul responds to Rick Perry.
07-14-2014 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RowCoach
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...3#.U8PiJLm9LCR

Rand Paul responds to Rick Perry.
It's an old fashioned Republican Reagan-off!

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...eagan-off.html

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As is often the case with intra-Republican squabbles, the dispute has taken the form of a Reagan-Off. All sides take as settled fact the premise that Reagan revealed the truth to the world in its entirety forever and ever, and any revisions to the Party canon must make the case that rival claimants have incorrectly interpreted the Reagan writ. The ritual can be seen in the dueling op-eds.

Accordingly, Paul's initial foray opens, "Though many claim the mantle of Ronald Reagan on foreign policy, too few look at how he really conducted it," and builds up to a rousing call for "a new approach, one that emulates Reagan's policies, puts America first, seeks peace, faces war reluctantly, and when necessary acts fully and decisively."

In conclusion, Ronald Reagan.

Perry replies that he will see Paul's mere four Reagan references and double them:

Paul still advocates inaction, going so far as to claim in an op-ed last month in The Wall Street Journal that President Ronald Reagan's own doctrines would lead him to same conclusion...

Paul conveniently omitted Reagan's long internationalist record of leading the world with moral and strategic clarity.

Unlike the noninterventionists of today, Reagan believed that our security and economic prosperity require persistent engagement and leadership abroad. He, like Eisenhower before him, refused to heed "the false prophets of living alone."

Reagan identified Soviet communism as an existential threat to our national security and Western values, and he confronted this threat in every theater. Today, we count his many actions as critical to the ultimate defeat of the Soviet Union and the freeing of hundreds of millions from tyranny.

At the time, though, there were those who said that Reagan’s policies would push the Soviets to war...

I personally don't believe in a wait-and-see foreign policy for the United States. Neither would Reagan.

Reagan led proudly from the front, not from behind; and when he drew a "red line," the world knew exactly what that meant.

But in today's world, with today's threats, we still cannot "take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost." That was President Reagan's warning. Sen. Paul would be wise to heed it.

Paul today replies, oh, no - you don't Reagan my Reagan, I Reagan your Reagan:

This is where many in my own party, similar to Perry, get it so wrong regarding Ronald Reagan's doctrine of "peace through strength." Strength does not always mean war. Reagan ended the Cold War without going to war with Russia. He achieved a relative peace with the Soviet Union - the greatest existential threat to the United States in our history - through strong diplomacy and moral leadership.

Reagan had no easy options either. But he did the best he could with the hand he was dealt. Some of Reagan's Republican champions today praise his rhetoric but forget his actions. Reagan was stern, but he wasn't stupid. Reagan hated war, particularly the specter of nuclear war. Unlike his more hawkish critics - and there were many - Reagan was always thoughtful and cautious.
Somebody do a Zoolander-esk parody.
07-14-2014 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Ikes, would you admit that this who CRA mess is Rand Paul's own fault? Literally all he had to do was when the reporter asked him if he supported it say "yes" then when the reporter said "but...?" Respond "but nothing. I support the CRA. Period." None of this would be happening if Rand Paul answered that question the way all non-neo-confederates do. Instead he went on a long meandering monologue about the rights of the poor racist business owners. Whether he "clarified" his position later on doesn't matter. Its not a position that should ever need clarifying.
I'm perfectly fine with saying that Paul's response is politically naive. However, that doesn't make lying about his position, or being dumb enough to believe an obvious lie, ok.
07-14-2014 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I'm perfectly fine with saying that Paul's response is politically naive. However, that doesn't make lying about his position, or being dumb enough to believe an obvious lie, ok.
Would you say that Paul's opinion of thr CRA differs from most of the establishment, who simply say "I support the CRA" and leave it at that?
07-14-2014 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Would you say that Paul's opinion of thr CRA differs from most of the establishment, who simply say "I support the CRA" and leave it at that?
No, it doesn't. I've asked this question again and again, what's the policy difference? The only thing Paul had done here is express an uneasiness with infringing on people's rights, which, again, Washington could use more of.
07-14-2014 , 12:25 PM
He's just standing up for the freedom for public accommodations to institute Jim Crow! Why are you lying liberals making it sound like he's against the CRA?
07-14-2014 , 12:26 PM
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The only thing Paul had done here is express an uneasiness with infringing on white people's rights, which, again, Washington could use more of.
fyp.
07-14-2014 , 12:27 PM
"What's the policy difference between allowing segregation in public accommodations and banning it? I ask this again and again and nobody can answer!"
07-14-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
He's just standing up for the freedom for public accommodations to institute Jim Crow! Why are you lying liberals making it sound like he's against the CRA?
Of course, you don't have a quote that says that, but don't let petty facts stop the narrative!

      
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