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08-11-2012, 08:43 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Sunshine State
Posts: 4,004
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
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Originally Posted by maxtower
Seems that if Megaupload is criminal then google/youtube is also.
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They actually take down copyright infringements if they are pointed out or they find them.
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08-11-2012, 08:57 PM
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#47
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stranger
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tamaki Makau Rau
Posts: 11
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
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Originally Posted by Paul D
They actually take down copyright infringements if they are pointed out or they find them.
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According to Kim Dotcom, distribution companies had *direct access* to files on their servers -- all they had to do was input a link and it was immediately deleted off MU servers.
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08-11-2012, 09:24 PM
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#48
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,005
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
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Originally Posted by Paul D
They actually take down copyright infringements if they are pointed out or they find them.
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As did this guy. Try reading?
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08-11-2012, 09:35 PM
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#49
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Sunshine State
Posts: 4,004
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish
As did this guy. Try reading?
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Don't be stupid. That is an argument being made in court. One side says he is compliant, the other doesn't.
I can say I never speed. It doesn't make that statement true.
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08-11-2012, 09:52 PM
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#50
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Sunshine State
Posts: 4,004
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
In a 2008 chat, one employee noted that "we have a funny business... modern days [sic] pirates ," to which the reply was, "we're not pirates, we're just providing shipping servies [sic] to pirates ."
Employees send each other e-mails saying things like, “can u pls get me some links to the series called ‘Seinfeld’ from MU [Megaupload]," since some employees did have access to a private internal search engine.
Employees even allegedly uploaded content themselves, such as a BBC Earth episode uploaded in 2008. - http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...ed-megaupload/
No offense. But whether Dotcom gets convicted, or not, that company knew what it was doing. And when the graphic design is making $1million off it, I have a lot less respect for it than I would torrent sites that don't seem to be trying to run a big business.
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08-11-2012, 10:57 PM
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#51
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,140
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News flash: property and permission are not the same thing.
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08-11-2012, 10:58 PM
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#52
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,140
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Evening update: Day is not night.
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08-11-2012, 11:01 PM
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#53
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Sunshine State
Posts: 4,004
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
Lol, whatever.
Your ideas won't save the man from legal proceedings. Glad, you aren't his lawyer for his sake.
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08-11-2012, 11:18 PM
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#54
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,005
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Don't be stupid. That is an argument being made in court. One side says he is compliant, the other doesn't.
I can say I never speed. It doesn't make that statement true.
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It should be pretty easy to prove his statement that they had direct access true. If it is, they can STFU.
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08-12-2012, 01:25 AM
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adept
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Drinking your milkshake
Posts: 990
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
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Originally Posted by razrback
News flash: property and permission are not the same thing.
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If by this post you are implying that copyright infringement is not 'theft' then fine. If you want to argue semantics then use a different word, like 'piracy' or whatever. AFAIK copyright infringement is still against the law.
I wont pretend to understand the legal intricacies of this case, but in my opinion this guy is a total parasite and I wont be shedding any tears if he does go down.
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08-12-2012, 01:39 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: pm karak w/ ffb questions
Posts: 37,736
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish
It should be pretty easy to prove his statement that they had direct access true. If it is, they can STFU.
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If I remember correctly, they had access, but if was mostly a mirage. If 100 people all uploaded the same file, 100 unique links to a single copy of the file was created. If there was a DMCA complaint, the actual file was unaffected, just whatever specific link they complained about was taken down, the other 99 links were still functional even though they all pointed at the same infringing content. If you know anything about how the piracy scene works, you can see how this is laughably ineffective.
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08-12-2012, 04:25 AM
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#57
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,664
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
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Originally Posted by Dudd
If I remember correctly, they had access, but if was mostly a mirage. If 100 people all uploaded the same file, 100 unique links to a single copy of the file was created. If there was a DMCA complaint, the actual file was unaffected, just whatever specific link they complained about was taken down, the other 99 links were still functional even though they all pointed at the same infringing content. If you know anything about how the piracy scene works, you can see how this is laughably ineffective.
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So if they had 100 actual copies and deleted a copy each time it would be fine?
Trying to enforce against the crime of 'copyright infringement' is laughable though.
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08-12-2012, 08:44 AM
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#58
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 11,034
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
I'm still not sure what the difference is between megaupload and youtube is. If 100 people upload a copyrighted file on Youtube - don't they have to delete each one separately as well?
The pure volume of copyrighted material seems like a weak argument. If I'm a skilled virus maker can I use a large botnet I created to upload a ton of copyrighted material to Youtube in a way to suddenly make them an illegal company?
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08-12-2012, 09:16 AM
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#59
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: My Dragons are Grown Bitch!
Posts: 3,789
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
From Kim's twitter not long ago:
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Fact #1: All my assets are still frozen. I have no funds to pay lawyers & defend myself in the biggest copyright case in world history.
Fact #2: NZ courts ruled: Restraining order illegal. Search warrants illegal. But I still have no access to my files. Not even copies.
Fact #3: NZ court ruled: FBI removed my data from NZ illegally. But the FBI reviewed my hard drives anyway and didn't send them back.
Fact #4: The DOJ argues in US court that I should not get a penny unfrozen for my defense cause I should be treated like a bank robber.
Fact #5: The DOJ argues in US court that I should not have the lawyers of my choosing because of a conflict of interest with rights holders.
Fact #6: There is no criminal statute for secondary copyright infringement in the US. The DOJ doesn't care. Let's just be creative.
Fact #7: Only 10% of our users and 15% of our revenue came from US users. Yet the DOJ argues in US court that all assets are tainted.
Fact #8: The DOJ told the Grand Jury that Megaupload employs 30 staff. In reality 220 jobs were lost because of the US actions.
Fact #9: The DOJ shut down several companies for alleged copyright infringement including N1 Limited - A fashion label making clothing.
Fact #10: The DOJ is charging us with Money Laundering and Racketeering cause Copyright Infringement isn't enough for Extradition from NZ.
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08-12-2012, 06:42 PM
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#60
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: beyond legal blindness
Posts: 6,001
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Re: Raid video of Megaupload owner
Should of just killed him. Would of saved our tax payer's money. Now we get to play a game of charades instead.
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