Racism, Poor Minorities, and Spoiling Children by Giving Them Food - Page 4 - Politics and Economics

Lots of good info on the totally equitable justice system in Ferguson and Stl Co in this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...?utm_hp_ref=tw

And this

Get a ticket for sagging and then miss 2 court appointments? 300 bucks plz. Oh you don't have it? Go to jail.

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03-26-2015 , 08:54 AM

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The game plan seems to be to get all the Tragic Death of a Black Guy threads moved to the PU cesspit.

03-26-2015 , 09:17 AM

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Oh, black people are children, now?

Also, please share your thoughts about tax cuts for the rich.

So you are admitting your statement was absurd?

03-26-2015 , 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

Lots of good info on the totally equitable justice system in Ferguson and Stl Co in this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...?utm_hp_ref=tw

And this

Get a ticket for sagging and then miss 2 court appointments? 300 bucks plz. Oh you don't have it? Go to jail.

What's the problem? If you sleep over someones house you should expect the maximum fine. Lets try personal responsibility and committing less crimes people.

03-26-2015 , 09:23 AM

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So you are admitting your statement was absurd?

I guess you think you can nit this out but in the context of the discussion duffee was drawing an equivalence between giving people money and harming people which is clearly bollocks and you come in to make a point that doesn't actually need making.

03-26-2015 , 09:23 AM

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Although it looked very much like wookie was generalising about all people at this point he wasn't. However you can't always extend generalizations to children and it doesn't work here - obviously you can harm children by giving them free stuff but really so what?

My point was that it was an absurd statement. Of course giving people free stuff can harm people. That's not to say that giving people money/stuff will always cause harm, but that blanket statements like his shouldn't be left to stand. Reductio ad absurdum.

03-26-2015 , 09:23 AM

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So you are admitting your statement was absurd?

No. An absurd statement would be saying institutional racism doesn't exist or reading the Ferguson report and then JAQng off.

03-26-2015 , 09:24 AM

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It wasn't blanket it was specific to the context of duffee's posts.

03-26-2015 , 09:26 AM

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It wasn't blanket it was specific to the context of duffee's posts.

No, it was not. If he would have said "the amount of money given to people in the form of entitlements could not be considered enough to cause harm" would have been a specific statement. Laughing that the idea of giving money to people could possibly cause harm is a blanket statement.

03-26-2015 , 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

Do you think this is relevant in the context of black people in America?

What if we, say, compensated them for the labor stolen from their ancestors for a century. Would that be harming them?

03-26-2015 , 09:30 AM

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Fly,

You are incredibly fos. Quit posting about me.

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03-26-2015 , 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

Specific to context I said which includes

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(def.) A racist is any person who thinks blacks need special treatment to get ahead in America.
Black Reparations are a species of special treatment for blacks.
Therefore, any advocates for Black Reparations are racists and should be banned.

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No, that is not the definition.

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Originally Posted by duffee

Sure it is: Any policies that hurt blacks are racist; liberal policies hurt blacks; ergo, liberal policies are racist and liberals are racists.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Now you are using yet another incorrect definition.

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Originally Posted by duffee

Huh? It’s clearly valid, so if the premises are true, the conclusion is as well. You don’t think policies that harm blacks are racist?

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You are using an awfully funny definition of "harm" if it includes giving people money.

As I said you can nit it up but the point duffee was attempting to make is clearly bull****, one he doesn't actually believe in that he subsequently suggested liberals are racist and hence should be banned by way of his own reducto and you're white knighting for it.

Carry on like but you're not doing well here.

03-26-2015 , 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Do you think this is relevant in the context of black people in America?

It is relevant to all people. The color of your skin is not a factor.

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What if we, say, compensated them for the labor stolen from their ancestors for a century. Would that be harming them?

It depends.

03-26-2015 , 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dereds

Specific to context I said which includes

As I said you can nit it up but the point duffee was attempting to make is clearly bull****, one he doesn't actually believe in that he subsequently suggested liberals are racist and hence should be banned by way of his own reducto and you're white knighting for it.

Carry on like but you're not doing well here.

Wrong. go back and re-read.

03-26-2015 , 09:39 AM

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I find that only idiots/trashy people use the line 'keep my name out of your mouth'. It's usually followed up with threats of violence though.

03-26-2015 , 09:40 AM

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Wrong. go back and re-read.

I've read the whole discussion jibninjas and reading it again wont help so why don't you try and set me straight rather than just tell me I'm wrong.

03-26-2015 , 09:43 AM

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If Jibninjas won the Powerball he'd presumably turn the money down

03-26-2015 , 09:47 AM

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Jibninjas, though, for our enlightenment can you explain why giving black people money harms them(and them in particular, per duffee)? Are they the same reasons that parents shouldn't spoil their children? If they aren't, why would you mention that to Wookie?

If they are, is that a concession that you were drawing the analogy parent:child::government:black people?

03-26-2015 , 10:01 AM

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Policies that inhibit the ability of blacks in particular to get ahead in America are racist?

Sure. Now demonstrate that reparations and/or welfare do this.

03-26-2015 , 10:01 AM

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you drew that analogy, not me.

03-26-2015 , 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

So you are admitting your statement was absurd?

I don't have to grant that your comparison of black people to spoiled children is accurate to argue that it's ****ing racist.

03-26-2015 , 10:05 AM

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Quote:

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you drew that analogy, not me.

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

Wrong. go back and re-read.

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It is relevant to all people. The color of your skin is not a factor.

It depends.

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

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So you are admitting your statement was absurd?

So Jibs, ever going to spit out a point or speak to the actual topic at hand or explain why spoiling children was a relevant analogy? Or just more JAQng off?

Thesis: Giving poor people money does more help than hurt. Giving black people reparations for their ancestors stolen labor would do black people more harm than hurt.

Now you either agree or disagree and give reasons why or why not, in the form of a statement.