Well, I (and many others) believe the real question is why, individuals who can legally carry concealed firearms in public, magically become "impulsive and hormonal" the very moment they step onto a college campus. Or to put it more objectively, why can't people who have CCW permits, issued by their state, not carry concealed firearms on college campuses?

Oh, thats a valid point. I was thinking about the debate from a more global perspective. Basically, does having concealed carry make it more safe or less safe. You could change the college class to a restaurant and its the same situation.

I think this is unequivocally more safe.

I honestly don't know, but I am pretty ignorant on the topic. Willing to read though if you have any links.

I do have links, though I'm more concerned with drinking beer and watching bad TV right now. Max, don't get mad about The Rock thing, I do it to all my friends.

No prob, I've been drinking myself..... I didn't the rock post though, never watched wresteling

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17340

How permanent can this situation be expected to be?

The situation described doesn't exist.

You think it's basically false info designed to pacify gun owners?

I don't even think its 'info' :P Yeah, I'd call it simply propaganda.

Why WOULDN'T the administration/democrats say that? "Oh ya, nothing to worry about, guns aren't an issue...Sure, they were three weeks ago, according to the Attorney General...But now they're not. No, you don't need to look into it anymore."

As a professor of military history once said to us when we asked if we would ever see the confiscation of guns and he said "It won't happen during my lifetime but could happen during yours depending on whether or not the NRA loses its influence."

Time to send some monies to NRA and GOA. Might as well hit up the PPA too. Only way to shape policy in this country is numbers of people and dollars.

60 minutes had a section about guns, with some of the same people, seemed to be a much more fairly balanced section. A lot of the same points, but without as much ridiculousness.

"I want to slaughter all those people who piss me off like dogs! All I need is a gun."

"Wait dude, don't you know, guns are illegal."

"Oh really, well nevermind then."

Inspired by 20/20's shameless fear mongoring propaganda, I'm going to be purchasing my first hand gun in the next couple of weeks. I've wanted one for awhile since I bought my first house. I'm gonna begin researching it since I really don't know much about it. I'll probably take a class or something after I get it to, to learn how to clean it and good habits with it and stuff. Any suggestions for a basic hand gun for home/car defense, I probably won't carry it around. I'm lucky I live in a very gun friendly state (Georgia)

K, that's it. I'm starting a thread in honor of you, uatrewqaz.

In Georgia there are probably a dozen gun ranges within a mile of where you live. Go to one, rent something like a Glock 19 (a very standard, reliable, jack-of-all-trades self defense pistol in 9mm), and ask someone there to show you the basics because you're worried you might shoot yourself in the foot. They will almost certainly be extremely happy to show you the basics, teach you safe handling, and will probably talk your ear off about anti-gun politicians if there is more than a 10-second gap in the conversation. If they're insanely busy and can't take some time to make you safe, then by all means just go to another range. Definately sign up for a class before you leave.

After you get some familiarity and purchase a handgun that suits you (you will probably find your preference drift away from the mean in some way -- maybe you want more power than 9mm, or a different grip shape, etc. etc. etc.), make sure you practice with it. You definately don't want to be the guy that buys a gun, fires it once, and then leaves it in the closet for 20 years until you wake up one night to the sound of someone breaking in downstairs.

I'm sure this has been answered, but I figure I'll add my 2 cents irt this question:

From my own experience, the small number of people I know who carry guns on them at almost all times always have some insane story about getting drunk at a bar and shoving their gun in the face of some wanna-be gangster.

I work with lots of people that own guns, but it's only the concealed carriers that seem to just be.. crazy.

Anecdotal, and a small sampling size, sure, but that's where it comes from for me.

low key, you didn't answer his question.

If that's the case, that all concealed carriers are crazy, than concealed carry should be illegal.

But why does it make sense that stepping onto a college campus would make a concealed carrier, who is legally allowed to carry and has a license, 'impulsive and hormonal'?


great post btw muresan.

The crazy concealed carriers you need to worry about don't have a CCW permit in the first place. Also if you are able to get a CCW then you should be able to carry 100% of the time no matter where you are.
That's because they have small penises.

Sorry.

Don't be so sure, my roomate brought up the special around me and a few friends this weekend, and he and the one other guy who had watched it were pretty much like, "LOL look at how useless hand guns are!" I would consider my roomate well above average intellegence. I hadn't seen the piece so I couldn't comment.

Max tends to give everyone credit for about 30 IQ points higher than they really have. And their ability to think independently and critically much more than it is. A lot of smart people think that way and don't realize just how stupid even your average smart person is.

I just heard today that when Stossel was visiting Drexel this past week he said he was going to do a special on guns/gun control soon, and moreover, that this recent one was in preemption to his.

Oh, I must have missed that part.

Joking answer: All the hot college coeds

Real answer: No clue. I think liquor would moreso than anything. Well, not really the hormonal part..

John Stossel already tackled this topic
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