einbert cliffs on why none of these sexual assault cases matter in regards to trump. they dont seem to have any impact on him whatsoever I havent really read too much into it because i dnt want to and also no one talks about it , in the alt rite sphere its a feature not a bug and the left is mostly discussing how to survive as a country with him as our leader

Heh, never thought of saying something like this to a Climate Change denier. Sounds like a good way to put them on tilt. I approve!

The short answer is it's because this has become a cult of personality at this point, and noone wants to admit they've been conned.

The long answer is that, as you allude to, this kind of male power dynamic is actually something a lot of men aspire to, and those people do tend to almost all be right-leaning. It was definitely a big deal during the campaign and it seemed to even push his numbers down, but no matter what scandal hit him, his numbers would revert back after about two weeks as the right-wing media machine did its thing and just grinded away relentlessly against whatever scandal he was involved in at that week.



Notice how key events like the conventions and the debates caused Hillary's numbers to go way up, then they reverted back to the middle over time each time. Then the Comey letter hit about a week before the election, and it was close enough that that was all she wrote.

During that whole time period, the WikiLeaks leaks and "her emails!" were a huge talking point even on legitimate outlets like the New York Times. That certainly didn't help and on that side of the coin I think media has mostly failed to take responsibility. Thankfully they have improved their practices somewhat since the election but there's a lot more that needs to be done.

yeah, really good answer. i think it falls under the same category of when during the primaries he never *really* got in trouble for anything he said because he would just something bombastic again 3 days later.

Right, but now it's 4.5 months in and he IS president. His bull**** has major consequences, as everyone here knows and has been witnessing.

There's so much out there. What are you genuinely curious about? Otherwise einbert will just go on rand() and load up the thread.

believe me i know dood but fixing the problems caused by this administration is going to require tremendous effort over a long period by millions. in the short term nothing we can do especially me (broke, no degree)

LeGrosB

I'm beginning to think that you believe that Trump has "abandoned the proletariat and is cashing in". Is that true. If not, why not?

This is one of those double standards. Bernie is not supposed to be a scumbag so if he were to abandoned the proletariat that would discredit him. No one expects Trump to not be a scumbag.

yeah a lot of people voted for trump precisely because he was such a scumbag they wanted to send him up there with the real elites the same way someone lights a bag of poop on fire because they feel so disenfranchised. A lot of lost people no one cares about in this country.

LeGros, I appreciate your taking the time to answer most of those questions - I wish I had more time to discuss them but this I'm doing 70-hour weeks with a new business. There are several takeaways that I'm getting from your responses:

-DeVos and Pruitt as examples of draining the swamp, because bad is good and you oppose their respective departments altogether. I suspect at least Steve Bannon would agree with that sort of rationale, but even with a lesser budget and maybe different missions, we still prefer qualified people without glaring conflicts of interests to hold positions as these, don't we?

-I immediately recognized your parts of you climate argument down to some of the language. I know you put some effort into dressing it up, but it wasn't enough to hide your most likely sources (these talking points have been making the rounds for a while and a number of us have seen them before).

-Most everyone would agree there's a lot more we can learn in climate science, and that more research is needed, that models will change as more information is introduced (etc). But there's a big jump from that to opposing the EPA and the scientific community, not to mention outright stifling further research - given the stakes, we need to do a lot better than skepticism and uncertainty. Your position is more consistent with, "move along, nothing to see here," which isn't productive.

-That you found time for your climate chat, but weren't interested in giving a simple answer to what would DJT have to do for you to switch votes says a lot. You even gave a 5-sentence explanation why you didn't feel like answering. I could give a few examples for HRC or any other candidate with the same ease as if I were talking about my last car purchase.

-Same goes for the journalism question. You profess to read often, so I thought it might be of interest to you - the AP link isn't anything you shouldn't already be generally familiar with, however you can't take for granted anymore that people understand 101 level journalism basics or remember them.

What I really wanted to gauge was how important common principles of journalism actually are to you, and how that aligns with your favored media (or why they might not align). Sometimes there are very good answers to this, sometimes it's a mess, but either way I think you've partially addressed this already.

Ahahah lol I forgot the exact phrasing that makes it a doctor and not a nurse. I was supposed to include 'perform surgeries' I believe.

Talked to four Trump voters this weekend, all of whom allegedly "VERY RELUCTANTLY" voted for him. Two pretty much mainstream upper-middle class private sector GOP voters, two local politicians. Two of the four said they would not vote for him again given his performance so far (will believe that when I see it lol) and, interestingly, while the main rationale I heard was "I just couldn't vote for HER," none of the four said they'd have voted for Bernie, but 3 of the 4 said they'd have voted for Biden over Trump if he'd run.

5 out of the 4 would have found a reason to vote Trump over Biden.

My family member is a single mom, works for $10 an hour, and is a huge Trump supporter. She is a firm believer in all things Infowars and believes Global Warming is completely false. She had never voted in an election until this year. She says that she doesn't see any sort of ties with Russia at all and that Trump is for people like her. I have no idea where to even begin with her... Does anyone have that reddit list of collusion links?

Things like this make me think that if the 2020 D nominee isn't Biden himself, it should be someone like Steve Bullock or Sherrod Brown, because they'd pull votes from the reluctant Trumper the same way.

Wouldn't waste your time tbh

what a ****ing idiot

considering she's rejected anything and everything resembling fact and rational thought, i'd probably just consider her a lost cause at this point

Essentially what I've done to all of my Trump supporting family members. They are all a lost cause.

yup same with my VP banker brother and his patent law practicing wife and their ~2MM/yr household income. they are dead to me, which is no real loss since they're total scumbags anyway. did i also mention they're racist AF? pretty sure i profiled them a while ago

my ma didn't raise him that way

Guess it'd be a waste of time trying to explain to them the basic premise that the economy has historically performed better under Democrats.

not even worth my time since my mom and dad have been trying to explain that to them for literally the past 20+ years with no success

they can **** off and die for all i care

You realize that only a ****ing commie would even think in these terms? And when the hell is someone going to drive a stake in Marx and bury him in the dung hill of history.

I can...arguing with the close mind liberal trash on this site. Like on this thread when so many of them showed that they knew no Trump supporters yet he won the election. What a bunch of isolated lives they must live when they only can stand to be around people who think and act like them. Like you who can't even carry on a conversation with someone who disagrees with you. WOW you must still be a child. I am an atheist. I have a lot of Christian friends and we talk all the time. I hunt, I have vegetarian friends. I have to admit it is hard to keep liberal friends. They are so close minded and self righteous they can't be talked to. If this post upsets you. Feel free to riot and burn down something...that's your way.