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What fly said, but also (and I might be vastly overestimating the integrity of Fox News here) if he admits he was reporting on Cohen without disclosing such an obvious conflict of interest, it's possible that even Fox News would drop him. It may be the safest play for him to claim Cohn was lying --which is actually a plausible theory. At some level Fox does actually want to at least pretend they're running legitimate news programming to appeal to casual/moderate Republicans, and that's tricky when your lead anchors commit flagrant violations of professional ethics.

Not possible.

04-16-2018 , 11:04 PM

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04-16-2018 , 11:05 PM

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if a lawyer consults with a client but never takes any action on his behalf would it be correct to say the lawyer never represented the client?

Not necessarily. For example, if a prospective client approached a lawyer, explained a legal problem, asked for advice, and then was told by the lawyer that he/she lacked the expertise to answer the question, that conversation almost certainly would be privileged.

04-16-2018 , 11:09 PM

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if a lawyer consults with a client but never takes any action on his behalf would it be correct to say the lawyer never represented the client?

Look at the brain on Brad. They 100% have receipts of Cohen representing Hanity. There is no reason to bring his name up otherwise.

04-16-2018 , 11:09 PM

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I think you misunderstand my question. Yes that would not be privileged, but would the lawyer be able to correctly say that he never represented the prospective client?

edit: lol, threw in a superfluous "not"

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04-16-2018 , 11:13 PM

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This. Although season 1 is deserves better than Victor's list. Also nothing really compares to first viewing of S4, even if it falls a little behind on the rewatch.

Grunched to the last page and knew y'all were talking The Wire when I saw the 5 variable rankings all with 5 last.

4 will always be my subjective favorite because it was the first one I saw and I was hooked as soon as Snoop bought that nailgun.

But 2 was always objectively the best season. Goddamnit Ziggy.

04-16-2018 , 11:13 PM

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Not only do they have receipts, Cohen has tapes

Hannity used Cohen as a lawyer. It’s not that complicated.

04-16-2018 , 11:15 PM

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when folks are all "season three is the most shakespearian" I'm all bro do you even shakespeare? Have you even seen season 2? Do you even Sobatka?

04-16-2018 , 11:24 PM

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Ok politard lawyers, based on this thread it seems like I can basically assert AC privilege on any lawyer if I'm talking to them about anything remotely related to a legal issue.

All I have to do is talk to an attorney about X issue and if I don't want X revealed, I'll just say I was asking him because it was related to some situation that I was considering hiring him to help with.

Is that really all it takes?

04-16-2018 , 11:25 PM

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“Cohen has more attorneys than he has clients,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas McKay quipped.

Thought this was great lol

04-16-2018 , 11:26 PM

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What fly said, but also (and I might be vastly overestimating the integrity of Fox News here) if he admits he was reporting on Cohen without disclosing such an obvious conflict of interest, it's possible that even Fox News would drop him. It may be the safest play for him to claim Cohn was lying --which is actually a plausible theory. At some level Fox does actually want to at least pretend they're running legitimate news programming to appeal to casual/moderate Republicans, and that's tricky when your lead anchors commit flagrant violations of professional ethics.

Lol foxnews still isn't even acknowledging any of this happened on their website.

04-16-2018 , 11:30 PM

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Not possible.

Yeah, you're probably right. Hannity has to be a huge draw for the network. idk if you guys have ever listened to him, but the man can just spit out talking points out like a belt-fed machinegun. It's legitimately impressive and it makes guys like Limbaugh sound plodding and boring by comparison. It's like watching an elite battle rapper go acapella. I don't know that there's anyone else out there that can give his fans what they want.

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lol is good

also, **** that treasonous taint sniff

04-16-2018 , 11:51 PM

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In my hypothetical, the answer to your question is yes.

04-16-2018 , 11:55 PM

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This isn’t accurate. Either Cohen had an AC relationship with Hannity (in which case he was Hannitys lawyer), or he didn’t. If you talk to a random lawyer who isn’t your lawyer about legal stuff, that conversation isn’t privileged.

I think you guys are just getting cross over how you define lawyer. But you can create an A/C relationship as a lawyer by talking to a person about their legal problems, if you aren’t careful.

04-17-2018 , 12:08 AM

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We were saying the same things about O'Reilly and they didn't miss a beat without him. They're all replacement level propagandists.

04-17-2018 , 12:12 AM

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We were saying the same things about O'Reilly and they didn't miss a beat without him. They're all replacement level propagandists.

Tucker Carlsen must be sweating this one hard, easily 8 figures of EV for him if Hannity gets canned.

04-17-2018 , 12:16 AM

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No, it has to be a communication you reasonable expectation of privacy and you have to be seeking legal advice. If the attorney makes clear that he is not interested in representing you, and you go ahead and tell him things, the privilege probably does not attach. Or, if a random third party is in the room, it probably won’t attach.

04-17-2018 , 12:21 AM

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We were saying the same things about O'Reilly and they didn't miss a beat without him. They're all replacement level propagandists.

They only tossed Bill after they lost a ton of sponsors, and I feel like sponsors are much more worried about sexual inappropriateness than lack of journalistic integrity etc.

04-17-2018 , 12:27 AM

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That's why you've probably seen when lawyers discuss actual situations real life people have in casual conversations(like reddit or whatever) they'll caveat with "I'm not a lawyer who handles X" or "I'm not your lawyer", it's very easy to form a prospective client relationship and privilege isn't the only factor that attaches when you form that relationship.

04-17-2018 , 12:29 AM

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If Fox News was gonna fire Hannity for lack of journalistic ethics they would've done that when he was fabricating Seth Rich conspiracy stories even after the family told him to stop, come on, they don't care. Failing to disclose a conflict of interest is like, not even something unique to Hannity.

04-17-2018 , 12:40 AM

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Yup, how is anyone thinking for a second that an internal ethical concern is going to bring down someone like Hannity? Are you ****ing serious?

04-17-2018 , 12:41 AM

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Me: I don't mind answering hypothetical questions, but I can't give you legal advice because I'm not your lawyer.

Them: Dude... I was just asking whether we should get the guacamole or stick with the salsa.

Me: Sorry. Reflex.

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