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03-20-2017 , 03:24 PM

https://twitter.com/resnikoff/status/843902980533469184
03-20-2017 , 03:25 PM
If you think about it, if Republicans will by and large accept and even actively promote Voter Suppression (Voter ID) laws in order to win via non-democratic means, why would this Russia hack be any different?
03-20-2017 , 03:28 PM
LOL even Ryan is corrupt w/ Russia if this is true. Throw them all out.

03-20-2017 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
You did. And it shows you clearly do not understand how this works.

Insurance premiums would go up for those that have healthcare which in turns makes healthcare not to be affordable.

So, let me ask you again.

What is your definition of affordable health insurance. What is a good solution for those that can't afford healthcare to have it so they don't die?

Remember, affordable healthcare. These are your words.

Unless you mean you just like to throw together random talking points to make yourself sound smart when in reality you simply do not know?
I think that's pretty harsh. I think there should be a sliding scale of what is affordable based on income and that the government could step in to pay the difference between what is readily available in the marketplace and what the insured person can afford IF the insured person wants to purchase the insurance. In severe cases of poverty, this would mean that the insured person(s) pays nothing at all.

The tenor of your post indicates that you think I've held myself out there as some sort of expert on Obamacare and/or whatever the new thing is being called. I'm not. I'm just giving you my personal philosophical take on healthcare. I apologize if that is not good enough for you, I'm just a human. A victim of the insane, like the rest of you.
03-20-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
If you think about it, if Republicans will by and large accept and even actively promote Voter Suppression (Voter ID) laws in order to win via non-democratic means, why would this Russia hack be any different?
Comey's testimony was that the Russians attempted to interfere with voter registration databases.
03-20-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
LOL even Ryan is corrupt w/ Russia if this is true. Throw them all out.

he's a ****ing traitor and a sociopath
03-20-2017 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
In that case, we can turn those without insurance away at the Emergency room door right?
Of course not. I don't know what you people are thinking. This forum seems to be filled with people that are so God damned defensive that you can't even have a reasonable discourse.
03-20-2017 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
If you think about it, if Republicans will by and large accept and even actively promote Voter Suppression (Voter ID) laws in order to win via non-democratic means, why would this Russia hack be any different?
Just because you, Einbert, think that "Voter Suppression" and "Voter ID Laws" are the same thing, it doesn't make it true.
03-20-2017 , 03:36 PM
Why should I have to pay for the medical bills of those that don't have insurance?
03-20-2017 , 03:38 PM
The Russia hearing is over. Here's what we learned
Investigation confirmation: FBI Director Comey confirmed, for the first time publicly, that the FBI is investigating alleged links between Russia and Trump
No proof of wiretapping: "I have no information that supports those tweets," Comey said about Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped him. (Later, the White House doubled down on Trump's claim.)
Russia's goals: Comey confirmed Russia's goals in meddling in the US election: Hurt democracy and Hillary Clinton, help Donald Trump
The leaks: Many GOP lawmakers focused their questions on finding the source of the leaks of classified information about Russia
The hearing came to an end with Rep. Nunes telling Comey this:

"There's a big, great cloud you've now put over people who have very important work to do to lead this country."


what a pos..


www.cnn.com
03-20-2017 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
So, you first said organizationally the NYT had a liberal bias, but then backtracked that only specific reporters do, because you don't understand how newspapers work or that editors exist.

If 80% of the employees of the NYT are liberal, do you think it is ok to say that it has a liberal bias? If not, then we will have to agree to disagree. Do you think I am including editors in that 80%? Hint: Yes. I can't tell if you are intentionally being obtuse or if, more likely based on your posts, you are actually obtuse.
03-20-2017 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Why should I have to pay for the medical bills of those that don't have insurance?
That is part of living in a society. Why should I have to pay my share for state or municipal roads that I never use?
03-20-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
Just because you, Einbert, think that "Voter Suppression" and "Voter ID Laws" are the same thing, it doesn't make it true.
https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-r...d-requirements
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Since 2008, states across the country have passed measures to make it harder for Americans—particularly black people, the elderly, students, and people with disabilities—to exercise their fundamental right to cast a ballot. Over 30 states have considered laws that would require voters to present a government-issued photo ID in order to vote. Studies suggest that up to 11 percent of American citizens lack such an ID and would be required to navigate the administrative burdens to obtain one or forego the right to vote entirely.
03-20-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
That is part of living in a society. Why should I have to pay my share for state or municipal roads that I never use?
In your dreamland, why would anyone ever buy health insurance?
03-20-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
That is part of living in a society. Why should I have to pay my share for state or municipal roads that I never use?
Congrats, that is officially the worst defense of not having insurance I have seen yet.
03-20-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
If 80% of the employees of the NYT are liberal, do you think it is ok to say that it has a liberal bias? If not, then we will have to agree to disagree. Do you think I am including editors in that 80%? Hint: Yes. I can't tell if you are intentionally being obtuse or if, more likely based on your posts, you are actually obtuse.
So, you've done a great job of proving bias. This is great work. Keep it up. It's a super shame you were banned yesterday when you contribute so many great things.
03-20-2017 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Why should I have to pay for the medical bills of those that don't have insurance?
you do already
03-20-2017 , 03:45 PM
How Voter ID Laws Discriminate
A new comprehensive study finds evidence that strict voting laws do suppress the ballot along racial lines.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-study/517218/
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Strict photo identification laws have a differentially negative impact on the turnout of Hispanics, Blacks, and mixed-race Americans.
03-20-2017 , 03:45 PM
Fwiw at least in North Carolina the state Supreme Court said what einbert did for their laws as well.
03-20-2017 , 03:48 PM
"Voter ID will allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania"
03-20-2017 , 03:48 PM
Devin Nunes has 0% chance of not being re elected fyi

03-20-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
Of course not. I don't know what you people are thinking. This forum seems to be filled with people that are so God damned defensive that you can't even have a reasonable discourse.
Because you don't seem to understand the underlying problem. When people that can't afford healthcare get sick, those that can afford healthcare pick up the tab. That in turn, increases the cost among those that can afford it which in turn makes it harder for everyone to afford it.

Let's say I don't have health insurance. I work full time and make $20K a year. I fall and break my neck. I go to the hospital, get medical care, stay for 3-4 months, etc. I don't have healthcare. I am not paying for this. But the doctors, nurses, hospital employees, etc. still get paid. So who is paying for this? It's the ones that have healthcare. So because I can't pay my bills, you have to pay my bills for me.

But you don't want that. You want affordable healthcare for everyone, including me. So how do we do this? You can't just say "affordable healthcare!" and think the problem is solved. How does a guy making $20K a year afford healthcare so he gets the same care as a person making $2M a year? Unless you are saying the guy making $20K doesn't deserve the same care as the guy making $2M?
03-20-2017 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Spottswoode
It's amazing watching this session that the republicans are more concerned about protecting party lines than actually getting to the truth.
Do you acknowledge the possibility that they already know more of the actual truth than you do and that they're convinced there was no collusion with Russia?

Yes, there should be a full investigation, but it doesn't seem like really anyone on either side (except for the normal loonies that you would expect it from) really believes that there was collusion. I'm sorry (for you, that is) if that possibility is disappointing to you.
03-20-2017 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnEPark
In your dreamland, why would anyone ever buy health insurance?
Personal responsibility. You may have heard of it.
03-20-2017 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
Just because you, Einbert, think that "Voter Suppression" and "Voter ID Laws" are the same thing, it doesn't make it true.
It's exactly the same thing. Many Republican slappies who tout voter id have said as much on camera.

      
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