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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-06-2017 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Like, all these "he's a Russian useful idiot" or whatever posts are completely missing the point - it's not that he has any fondness or ****s for Putin, it's that he was into Rage Against the Machine before they were ever signed to a label and he detests all the bandwagon fans who got on after they were popular, which makes him both correct and (to some) insufferable.

Great analogy!
03-06-2017 , 05:08 PM
Man, I don't think there is anything in politics that enfuriates me more than the blinkered bigotry of those who oppose immigration.
03-06-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
It would also bigly help the readibility of this thread if you just stopped getting baited by his dumb **** every. single. time.
this please guise. this is my one continual plea itt. Guys like truefish, sushy, metsfins, awval, inso et al struggle mightily with comprehension and logic. No matter what evidence or new information you expose them to, they just are not mentally equipped to think outside of whatever nonsense they read in headlines on Breitbart/Drudge. It stop right there for these poor souls and millions like them - there is no critical thinking, skepticism, and vetting of information that comes after they see those headlines. This is difficult for many of us to understand but the reality.

I like coming to this thread because a lot of the posters add intelligent context and commentary to the top breaking stories. And at other times you guys share new stories, tweets, or perspectives that I miss from perusing google news. But it really sucks when I have to read arguing with some moron about why Benghazi allegations are BS or w/e nonsense these simpletons charade
03-06-2017 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Great analogy!
It's an analogy that makes no sense unless I'm misreading it. The timeline of events as suggested would go something like 1.----> GG goes hard against Russia 2. -----> No1curr 3.-----> FINALLY some1curr 4.-----> GG goes much less hard against Russia also wat?
03-06-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
How is truefish able to post his garbage and I got a 24 hour ban for pointing out how stupid he is?
I slow got a 24 hour ban for asking people to ignore him. I didn't even call him names or anything.
03-06-2017 , 05:56 PM

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...70027805810690
03-06-2017 , 06:01 PM




heh
03-06-2017 , 06:11 PM

https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/stat...64266828611585
03-06-2017 , 06:14 PM
03-06-2017 , 06:15 PM
wow david duke really knows how to take deplorable to new levels
03-06-2017 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
To a certain extent I can understand Greenwald's frustration. I suppose the closest allegory I can draw is to issues like racial justice. Consider something like the Trump's America thread, which chronicles all sorts of bits of violence, harassment, and all around misery caused by legions of America's angry right-wingers. That thread is in many ways a microcosm of the media at large, who is now more interested than ever on reporting on those stories.

To an extent that's useful and good but on the other hand -- it's incredibly frustrating. All of the jokers who are running around America bullying dark skinned people and harassing Muslims and toting guns around threatening their political enemies were all here before Trump doing lots of the same things. The right-wing media, much of it 'respectable' -- like AM radio and Fox News -- had been veering into white supremacy for decades, riling up white resentment for fun and profit and political leverage. The Republican Party was co-opted by these clownshow entertainers whose primary goal is to foment anger and resentment and paranoia at modernity and foreigners and women and black people.

But most importantly, it's been a slow-burn process over like 40 years. It was really predictable. These were significant problems before Trump; in many ways you could see Trump style politics coming from long ago and far away. You could plainly tell the increasing paranoia and anger boiling over in white America and you could see there was a whole cottage industry of entertainers who intended to keep the water boiling at the brim, I feel like there have been plenty of people, particularly media elites and Democratic establishment types, and certainly Republicans -- who either quietly seethed when this was pointed out or just ignored it as partisan spiel -- because it was politically inconvenient, or financially inconvenient. Or they simply just didn't believe it and wanted to believe in tropes about bipartisanship and consensus building and that they were really opposed by good-faith Republicans instead of the reality. That the Republican Party is just a vehicle controlled by a minority wealthy ideologues whose primary concern in politics is their own fortune, and whose critical mass of support comes from unhinged maniacs.

And now -- at the apex of these deranged lunatics taking over the asylum -- Breitbart and Mark Levin and Trump manufacture complete nonsense conspiracies out of whole-cloth, and scores of white people take to the streets to vandalize Jewish cemeteries and wave their guns around at immigrants or whatever -- NOW everyone is like "oh wow, hmm, look at this country, turns out it's full of unhinged violent morons immune to reason and titillated only by stories of white victimization, real shame this all recently emerged, who could have seen this coming? THANKS TRUMP." Obviously Trump is terrible and deserves criticism but he stands at the top of a skyscraper where the bottom 150 floors were constructed by a generation of unscrupulous scam artists and fellow-traveler haters, political leaders, media elites who flattered and aggrandized the whole movement.

It's great to eventually have allies but you can't help but feel cynical -- that a lot of this is simply a matter of style and political convenience. That some large portion of the Democratic and even GOP establishment now faux outraged by racist maniacs were willing to ignore them and leave them to their devices if not cater to them so long as they weren't propelling true imbeciles to victory. That some large portion of the mainstream media elites are responding to Trump's boorishness and fascistic tendencies handling of themselves rather than what he represents; that someone who instead had all of the Bannon style white resentment politics but was far better at public relations political machinations would return us back to the days when pointing out the paranoid racial animus of huge amounts of white people was shrill alarmism and debilitating to the national fabric. That once Trump's gone, the rotten core of this whole thing will live on and we'll engage in a 21st Century style post Reconstruction where future Trump Dunning School theorists will blame the whole thing on the lack of jobs and how corrupt big city liberal political machines took all the money and jobs and left poor white helpless because of scamming and crooked liberal deals, and shrill liberal carpetbaggers just moved too quickly on their racial justice and identity politics and were simply far too pushy with the nice white majority who simply wanted nothing more than live peacefully and embrace racial transcendence before uppity wire-tappy criminal Barack Obama and his ilk of politically correct thugs had to go bother everyone. Can we just let bygones and be bygones and all become moderate Republicans again, because remember when we didn't and then THAT thing with Trump happened, see what happens when you let angry liberals get everyone aroused and agitated?

To Greenwald's defense, then, I think you can see that the things he cares deeply about like civil liberties and the risks of the surveillance state and the damage caused by America's global empire building -- they just happen to be the kind of things that the political opposition party leverages for temporal political gain then drops immediately. And the sort of things I'm talking about -- our highly degraded political culture is the result of aggrandizing the whims of revanchist dispossessed white people, and that all the predictable outcomes of that are currently generating a bit of alarm despite the fact it's been persistently extreme and highly dangerous and destructive -- you can tell that story is largely a kluge for people. A temporary tool to hammer Trump with and then will be quickly forgotten about and revised once he's out of office.
I've read every post in this 15,000 post thread. This one stands out for me.

Thank you for phrasing my opinion in terms much more eloquent than I could ever hope to.
03-06-2017 , 06:35 PM
Agreed. That was a great post!
03-06-2017 , 07:07 PM
humm that dvaut post is what pretty much rest of the world see the USA for a while now,in case you didnt know.
Muricaaaa! when we say that isnt a compliment
Btw on every chat there are these nazi comments (exemple poker chat : one sees you are german and calls you a nazi),
well,americans will get them too.
This is really crazy how most of you are waking up now.
03-06-2017 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
The liberals will find a way to trash the new travel ban because it excludes Iraq.
Or how about I bash it because it's inherently racist, xenophobic, and doesn't help keep us safe (and furthermore makes us more unsafe)? I mean are you kidding me?
03-06-2017 , 07:13 PM
OK no more sympathy for Liar Spice.

"Little question something happened..." Little Sean still reeling from the reaming he got on Friday.
03-06-2017 , 07:19 PM
Also if you aren't watching Jake Tapper you need to start. Straight fire every day.
03-06-2017 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
Agreed. That was a great post!
I guess it can be summed up as "Trump is the symptom, he is not the cause. We need medicine to get rid of the symptom, but we need a vaccine to get rid of the cause".

Personally, I don't think a vaccine is possible. It seems that the same people who vote for Trump, and there are plenty of them, are the people who have no capacity for logic or reason, and just want to subscribe to some partisan narrative. The same traits are present in the left, of course, but no nowhere near the same degree.

It seems to me that there is no reasoning with a significant percentage of the population, and now that those people have won, they have taken that to mean that they are right.

Personally, I'm probably "liberal" (in the American sense), in that I don't want to stop women getting abortions and I don't think everyone should be able to buy guns.

There is one thing I find puzzling, that nobody has mentioned here. Everyone is talking about logic, rationality, facts etc. Why has nobody mentioned that it's impossible for a candidate of either party to get elected if they're openly atheist? I don't doubt that plenty of your elected officials are atheists, but it seems that nobody is ever going to get elected to any post anywhere if they don't mention god now and then. It seems to me that the sort of beliefs that drive religion are similar sort of beliefs to those that might drive someone to vote Trump - lack of respect for truth, empirical evidence, the feeling that the more one has faith in the face of uncertainty, the more righteous one is, etc.

Why has nobody mentioned the link between religiosity and Trump voting in what is now 17k posts?
03-06-2017 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
humm that dvaut post is what pretty much rest of the world see the USA for a while now,in case you didnt know.
Muricaaaa! when we say that isnt a compliment
Btw on every chat there are these nazi comments (exemple poker chat : one sees you are german and calls you a nazi),
well,americans will get them too.
This is really crazy how most of you are waking up now.
As said, this stink will take decades to wash off.
03-06-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
what did Eichenwald do? I must have missed it
Paid a source for an EXTREMELY odd investigation into the sordid underworld of camboys, later claimed he forget that he paid the source in an epileptic fit, general lack of solid gruntwork.
03-06-2017 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I don't understand why this is so hard. It couldn't be more obvious that Trump is hiding something. If the spineless GOP would just vote to subpoena the taxes returns of Trump and his merry band of misfits this whole thing could come to a close almost immediately.

There's a very real danger that the president of the United States is not acting in the best interest of the country, but for himself and friends. How is it that we can all see that there is something very disturbing going on deep in the bowels of our government, but top government officials (even Democrats) don't seem all that concerned about it? I honestly don't get it.


I'm always a few hundred posts behind itt so please 'scuse my tardiness.
Is it possible the reason nothing much seems to be happening in regards to removal/impeachment is because Trump is actually not much worse than the average politician, just absolute WOAT at hiding his true emotions and intentions? I know we shouldn't tarnish them all with the same brush, but I doubt the majority of them got into politics to help people. Themselves and friends aside ofc. Big Corporations have set the course over there for a number of years/decades and I'm sure kickbacks have been handed out left right and centre. There could possibly be a ton of incriminating stuff on a ton of people if looked into hard enough.
Is it possible they're holding back, and have to, because they know if they bring him down he's not going down alone and could very well take the whole system down with him?
03-06-2017 , 07:40 PM
Also it's important not to engage trufish like he's going to change his mind, but to publicly dunk on him to remind him that he represents America's stupidest, most cowardly 30% of the population and not only are there more of us, each of us is worth half a dozen of them.
03-06-2017 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I don't understand why this is so hard. It couldn't be more obvious that Trump is hiding something. If the spineless GOP would just vote to subpoena the taxes returns of Trump and his merry band of misfits this whole thing could come to a close almost immediately.

There's a very real danger that the president of the United States is not acting in the best interest of the country, but for himself and friends. How is it that we can all see that there is something very disturbing going on deep in the bowels of our government, but top government officials (even Democrats) don't seem all that concerned about it? I honestly don't get it.
Hey Lestat remember how you bitterly insist that racism doesn't exist among average people, that white supremacism is a SJW hoax to hurt your feelings?

Because I do get it. If you had listened to people like me, you could've predicted this. The only thing that matters to these people is the primacy of Real Americans, i.e. white Christian identity.

Trump flatters that belief. Actual policy is for nerds.
03-06-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Hey Lestat remember how you bitterly insist that racism doesn't exist among average people, that white supremacism is a SJW hoax to hurt your feelings?

Because I do get it. If you had listened to people like me, you could've predicted this. The only thing that matters to these people is the primacy of Real Americans, i.e. white Christian identity.

Trump flatters that belief. Actual policy is for SJWs.
Fyp
03-06-2017 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
There is one thing I find puzzling, that nobody has mentioned here. Everyone is talking about logic, rationality, facts etc. Why has nobody mentioned that it's impossible for a candidate of either party to get elected if they're openly atheist? I don't doubt that plenty of your elected officials are atheists, but it seems that nobody is ever going to get elected to any post anywhere if they don't mention god now and then. It seems to me that the sort of beliefs that drive religion are similar sort of beliefs to those that might drive someone to vote Trump - lack of respect for truth, empirical evidence, the feeling that the more one has faith in the face of uncertainty, the more righteous one is, etc.

Why has nobody mentioned the link between religiosity and Trump voting in what is now 17k posts?

Most voters are religious. If a candidate openly admitted he/she was an atheist, it would be political suicide. The power elite loves to espouse religion because it "shows" they have something in common with the poors. They need the poors to vote for them.
03-06-2017 , 07:59 PM
I think we can cross Kelly off the list of people that might stand up to Trump and stop him from doing horrible things. Who are we down to? Maybe Mattis, McMaster, Comey?




      
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