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The majority of the employees at the Russian Embassy, and the US Embassy in Moscow, are going to be intelligence operatives. It's super standard to give as many operatives diplomatic immunity as possible.

03-02-2017 , 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dudeoflife

Assuming sessions knows a lot that can damage trump and he actually gets charged with perjury(im skeptical), what are chances he does get a plea deal? Would that be a death sentence by the Russians if he were to talk?

I assume he gets a presidential pardon if it comes to that. Also, Russians are t going to assassinate a high-profile American on US soil, that would be bonkers even for them.

03-02-2017 , 12:05 PM

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Assuming sessions . . . gets charged with perjury(im skeptical)

I'll take "things that are never going to happen" for $800, Alex.

Biggest possible win is that Sessions resigns, and even that is unlikely imo.

03-02-2017 , 12:08 PM

#14979

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https://twitter.com/DanLinden/status/837331570390351872

HUGE IF TRUE

ooooh, shiny red ball!

03-02-2017 , 12:08 PM

#14980

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Pelosi spitting hot fire on CNN.

03-02-2017 , 12:10 PM

#14981

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Hillary would 100% be prosecuted for this if she was in this spot, I think we can all agree on this.

03-02-2017 , 12:11 PM

#14982

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Originally Posted by dudeoflife

The

The transcript is there. He went out of his way to say, I never met with the Russians. He had time to go over the record and correct the mistake. He did not.

Even if he doesn't get charged or resigns, it would be a win to get a independtent commission to look into the ties with trump's team and Russia.

Question was still about the campaign. Regardless no way a special prosecutor is appointed it will be handled the same way Lynch handled Clinton matter. FBI makes a recommendation and #2 at AG goes form there. Though doubt it goes any farther not even sure what crime we would be talking about (Russia and Trump discussions) unless there was actual assistance in hacking the DNC, if they are that stupid then hopefully President Pence cleans house.

03-02-2017 , 12:14 PM

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Sessions isn't going anywhere without a fight after giving up his Senate seat to take the job.

SAD

03-02-2017 , 12:14 PM

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621

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18 U.S. Code § 1621 - Perjury generally

Whoever—
(1) having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or
(2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true;
is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 773; Pub. L. 88–619, § 1, Oct. 3, 1964, 78 Stat. 995; Pub. L. 94–550, § 2, Oct. 18, 1976, 90 Stat. 2534; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

03-02-2017 , 12:15 PM

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03-02-2017 , 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ogallalabob

Question was still about the campaign.

This doesn't matter and won't matter the 10th time you post it. He claimed that he did not have communications with the Russians. He did. He lied.

03-02-2017 , 12:19 PM

#14987

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...31077186392065

03-02-2017 , 12:20 PM

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This attack on Sessions is doomed to fail. Sessions didn't commit perjury because the Leahy and Franken questions were more specific than "did you have any meeting at all about any topic?" When you testify you answer the questions asked, not the questions unasked, and Sessions answered the questions that were asked truthfully. Eventually everyone will figure out that this was just another distorted news story. Just more spin

Dude... you are wrong. The questions didn't ask what he talked about but just if he had contact with Russians during the campaign.

Is this the latest ignoraht spin by trump supporters, that he actually deftly dodged the easily avoided questions?

Both questions were ALL-ENCOMPASSING and unconditional. This is what bothered me about so many trump supporters back to the campaign. Rarely do they investigate and understand things for themselves but instead just take second and third hand erroneous regurgitation as gospel.

Did you have contact with the Russians is not a semantical razor's edge. He said he didn't and he did.

03-02-2017 , 12:21 PM

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I'm expecting Sessions to pull his mask to reveal Putin.

"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

03-02-2017 , 12:21 PM

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If AG Sessions does not resign, our entire law enforcement hierarchy is completely and utterly compromised. Perjury becomes the standard.

03-02-2017 , 12:23 PM

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Sessions met with Russian envoy twice last year, encounters he later did not disclose

the above is the wapo article headline. Misleading because Sessions was never asked to disclose all meetings with Russians.

tomorrow's headline might be:

Sessions ate at XYZ restaurant twice last year, meals he later did not disclose. Pelosi calls for resignation

What do you think it means "did you have contacts with Russians".

You should demand a refund for your alt-right highlights subscription. It's clear you didn't even read the Washington post article you are attacking the headline on.

03-02-2017 , 12:24 PM

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"The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."
-Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

03-02-2017 , 12:25 PM

#14993

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Originally Posted by Namath12

This doesn't matter and won't matter the 10th time you post it. He claimed that he did not have communications with the Russians. He did. He lied.

As a surrogate to the campaign, what you thought he was saying that at no time in his 20 years as a Senator he never had a meeting with anyone from Russia?

03-02-2017 , 12:27 PM

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okay yeah blahlololabob hasn't even read the transcript or seen the video, obviously

03-02-2017 , 12:28 PM

#14995

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Originally Posted by einbert

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621

I was referring to the Russia - Trump investigation

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/cnn...racy-theories/

03-02-2017 , 12:28 PM

#14996

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-Hannah Arendt

03-02-2017 , 12:29 PM

#14997

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I think they're saying LAWYER UP! LAWYER UP! LAWYER UP! but can't be sure

03-02-2017 , 12:29 PM

#14998

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LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

03-02-2017 , 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hornbug

He didn't lie under oath, he answered the question asked truthfully, and others are trying to fit his answer to a question that was not asked to make it look like a lie.

I challenge anyone who wishes to do so to post what specific statement you consider to be a lie, and then also post the entire context (the full question and the full response). If you do this you will see that the so-called lie is just out of context or a deliberately misleading application of an answer to a question not asked.

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Sessions was asked what he would do if he learned that anyone tied to the Trump campaign had communicated with the Russian government during the course of the campaign. As part of his answer, he said (under oath) that he had “been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and I did not have communications with the Russians.”

Session's statement was a flat out lie. Clearly you don't understand what being under oath means. It doesn't have to do with answering questions. You can't lie, about ANYTHING. He flat out lied about not having contact with the Russians.