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02-22-2017 , 12:45 PM
Pretty sure liberals whining about racism is also the reason the ****ing Patriots keep winning the Superbowl.
02-22-2017 , 12:48 PM
Guys, I'm not going to respond to each of you - you're all basically saying the same thing. And no, I'm not 'offended" that you're talking about hand signals, I'm literally laughing at your conspiracy theories.

Bottom line, keep it up and liberals will get us another four years of Trump. You are to blame. I'm really sorry you're having such a hard time understanding that / coping with it, but you are so out of touch that you gave blue-collar Americans a choice between Trump and one of the worst democratic candidates possible.

It's clear that you aren't learning from the mistakes - you cannot call everything you don't like racism - maybe it makes you feel better / makes you think you have a moral high ground, but sorry kids, guy adjusting his tie isn't racism, Rand Paul isn't a white nationalist, and you know what, Trump asking the black reporter if she can set up a meeting with the CBC isn't racism either. Racism is the belief that people are inherently inferior based on their race.

You are convincing no one, you are winning no friends, you are simply looking as silly as you did in 2016, and you are going to make Trump win again. Please please please stop making Trump win. Take some responsibility for getting him elected, learn from it, and start talking about stuff a little more relevant to voters than secret hand signals, bathrooms and global warming.

Oh yeah, you're probably super shocked by that last one. Hard truth: no one cares about global warming except for you - get out of your bubble. When the factory worker who lost his job hears you talking about global warming he thinks you care more about the environment than his ability to put food on the table.
02-22-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
telling us not to have fun is some fascist **** tho, so just ****ing deal with the gang signs convo ok
Not sure how it is fun. Seems pretty stupid to me.

TinyTrumps, on the other hand, are fun.

02-22-2017 , 12:57 PM
the nazi cufflinks were a sweet photoshop
02-22-2017 , 12:58 PM
Eight years of people claiming Obama was a secret Kenyan Muslim who prayed to Saul Alinsky every night -- just people with legitimate concerns.

Concern that a person who openly admitted being racist is now working in the Oval Office and might still be racist -- classic overreaction.

Makes sense I guess.


Plus I'm still confused by how Hillary was this horrible candidate but still managed to get 3 million more votes than the other guy.
02-22-2017 , 12:58 PM
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You are convincing no one, you are winning no friends, you are simply looking as silly as you did in 2016, and you are going to make Trump win again.
Tsao, I'm going to be super blunt here. The time for convincing is over. You're an adult, you've been exposed to the ideas, you disagree.

You're the opposition, not a potential ally. Our aim is to defeat you, not win you over to our side. Trump's victory wasn't a blow against the left-wing claim that racism is the core operating belief of right wingers like you, it was ****ing vindication of it. If anything, the problem was more severe than we said!

So yeah, if after the election of Trump you're still doing this ****, you're never going to be on our side. Your natural allegiance is to side with white nationalist fascism over multicultural social democracy.
02-22-2017 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
Guys, I'm not going to respond to each of you - you're all basically saying the same thing. And no, I'm not 'offended" that you're talking about hand signals, I'm literally laughing at your conspiracy theories.

Bottom line, keep it up and liberals will get us another four years of Trump. You are to blame. I'm really sorry you're having such a hard time understanding that / coping with it, but you are so out of touch that you gave blue-collar Americans a choice between Trump and one of the worst democratic candidates possible.

It's clear that you aren't learning from the mistakes - you cannot call everything you don't like racism - maybe it makes you feel better / makes you think you have a moral high ground, but sorry kids, guy adjusting his tie isn't racism, Rand Paul isn't a white nationalist, and you know what, Trump asking the black reporter if she can set up a meeting with the CBC isn't racism either. Racism is the belief that people are inherently inferior based on their race.

You are convincing no one, you are winning no friends, you are simply looking as silly as you did in 2016, and you are going to make Trump win again. Please please please stop making Trump win. Take some responsibility for getting him elected, learn from it, and start talking about stuff a little more relevant to voters than secret hand signals, bathrooms and global warming.

Oh yeah, you're probably super shocked by that last one. Hard truth: no one cares about global warming except for you - get out of your bubble. When the factory worker who lost his job hears you talking about global warming he thinks you care more about the environment than his ability to put food on the table.
Great post for use in the future as an example of the most pervasive strain of incorrect thinking in the post-election political world.
02-22-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Tsao, I'm going to be super blunt here. The time for convincing is over. You're an adult, you've been exposed to the ideas, you disagree.

You're the opposition, not a potential ally. Our aim is to defeat you, not win you over to our side. Trump's victory wasn't a blow against the left-wing claim that racism is the core operating belief of right wingers like you, it was ****ing vindication of it. If anything, the problem was more severe than we said!

So yeah, if after the election of Trump you're still doing this ****, you're never going to be on our side. Your natural allegiance is to side with white nationalist fascism over multicultural social democracy.
wow you guys sure are doing a great job defeating Trump and racism, what with him becoming the President of the United States because of you, and all!

Can Trump look forward to another four years of you defeating him?
02-22-2017 , 01:06 PM
Your plan to defeat Trump and racism is to defend Trump and claim racism is imaginary, so, yeah, get the **** out of here with this weak bull****.

You're going to get your baby soft feelings hurt a lot by liberal rhetoric, Tsao, that's not a bug, that's a feature. Mealy-mouthed centrism is over. Pandering to Trump voter's inherent decency is over. It's a fight, and someone with your ****ing track record has no leg to stand on here.
02-22-2017 , 01:06 PM
But the handsignal thing was one liberal who immediately got countered by ten liberals who openly disagreed with him but you know #alternativereality and all that.
02-22-2017 , 01:07 PM
The party of personal responsibility puts that responsibility on others when it comes to how they voted. The liberals made us do it! We hated him too but we just can't stand that woman!
02-22-2017 , 01:10 PM
Listen all we need to do is never mention racism or global warming or any other left-of-center issue and it's gonna be a cakewalk for our 2020 candidate, uh, Marco Rubio?
02-22-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Your plan to defeat Trump and racism is to defend Trump and claim racism is imaginary, so, yeah, get the **** out of here with this weak bull****.

You're going to get your baby soft feelings hurt a lot by liberal rhetoric, Tsao, that's not a bug, that's a feature. Mealy-mouthed centrism is over. Pandering to Trump voter's inherent decency is over. It's a fight, and someone with your ****ing track record has no leg to stand on here.
You've got this Fly!! You guys are definitely going to defeat Trump again.

By the way, I didn't say racism was imaginary, I said liberals are imagining racism where it isn't - I know, it's a confusing concept.

Also, again, I know this is going to be super confusing for you guys, but criticizing liberals is not the same thing as defending Trump.

So, some big concepts here Fly, let me know if you need them explained any further. Sorry I hurt your feelings, but you guys really need to learn from how badly you screwed up. The world needs you to learn.
02-22-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Eight years of people claiming Obama was a secret Kenyan Muslim who prayed to Saul Alinsky every night -- just people with legitimate concerns.

Concern that a person who openly admitted being racist is now working in the Oval Office and might still be racist -- classic overreaction.

Makes sense I guess.


Plus I'm still confused by how Hillary was this horrible candidate but still managed to get 3 million more votes than the other guy.
I think what's amazing here is that they aren't worried how their side looks when it comes to conspiracy theories that ran rampant about Obama. There is literally no pushback on that bull****. But there's a small discussion on hand signals and 4 more years of Trump guys. Y'all done ****ed up.
02-22-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
wow you guys sure are doing a great job defeating Trump and racism, what with him becoming the President of the United States because of you, and all!

Can Trump look forward to another four years of you defeating him?
Libertarians suck at winning elections. Maybe you should strategize on behalf of your own party.

Probably you are concern trolling, telling liberals not to talk about something you personally dislike, in the guise of thoughtful advice. Giving up on racial equality would undermine fundamental Democratic values and split their coalition. Basically you're a conservative telling liberals they should be conservative and they'll win, it's garbage.
02-22-2017 , 01:16 PM
Tsao even in this thing you're lol accidentally conceding the point.

Aren't you allegedly also the opposition to Trump? Didn't you also fail?

Why are all your posts not using "we"? You're allegedly a Trump opponent who hates racism, you're the one saying we're on the same side here.
02-22-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
You've got this Fly!! You guys are definitely going to defeat Trump again.

By the way, I didn't say racism was imaginary, I said liberals are imagining racism where it isn't - I know, it's a confusing concept.

Also, again, I know this is going to be super confusing for you guys, but criticizing liberals is not the same thing as defending Trump.

So, some big concepts here Fly, let me know if you need them explained any further. Sorry I hurt your feelings, but you guys really need to learn from how badly you screwed up. The world needs you to learn.
Say someone does wrongly attribute racism to something that actually isn't. How can this be such a big mistake to a voter that they are then ok with an actual racist? It just doesn't follow. There is absolutely no way that people making a mistake in that direction was the tipping point for someone to massively change their opinion like that.

Also, polling on global warming shows a majority of Americans think it's an issue and man made. I guess we should just stop talking about one of the biggest issues facing our species/planet?
02-22-2017 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
Needless to say I felt more freedom at the time in Europe! Took some growing up and living in Europe in the last 6 years to realize how 'Murican I actually am/was and how much I missed it!
Elaborating on this might make an interesting thread.
02-22-2017 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Listen all we need to do is never mention racism or global warming or any other left-of-center issue and it's gonna be a cakewalk for our 2020 candidate, uh, Marco Rubio?
LOL
02-22-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
Libertarians suck at winning elections. Maybe you should strategize on behalf of your own party.

Probably you are concern trolling, telling liberals not to talk about something you personally dislike, in the guise of thoughtful advice. Giving up on racial equality would undermine fundamental Democratic values and split their coalition. Basically you're a conservative telling liberals they should be conservative and they'll win, it's garbage.
Not really - I'm saying fight racism where it exists. Don't fabricate it.

****ing libertarians, I can't even begin to figure out how they can do better (I think I'd like them to focus on winning one congressional seat, or winning a State legislature, maybe). But unlike libertarians, liberals have a huge voice that can compete with conservatives, they're just not using it very well.
02-22-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BrettFavre
The one thing that anti-Trumpers had over pro-Trumpers is that we don't indulge in conspiracy theories.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/u...tionfront&_r=0
02-22-2017 , 01:21 PM
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The earliest indicator of Trump’s effect on evangelicals came in the fall of 2016, when it was revealed evangelicals had shifted dramatically on the immorality of a politician. Whereas only five years before, with the Lewinsky scandal still part of the national dialogue, only 30 percent of white evangelicals believed an immoral elected official could still perform his or her job ethically, the number rose to 72 percent of white evangelicals. They seemed to subscribe to the same “none of our business” mantra that they had so derided in the 1990s.

Much like President Bush said in 2008 that he had “abandoned free market principles to save the free market,” the self-professed crusaders on behalf of Christ-like morality in the Culture War have opted to surrender their authority and cede the battlefield while claiming doing so will somehow save the day.

Moral failure is human, and a core tenet of understanding the Christian belief of salvation. But Jesus did not only say to the adulteress “Neither do I condemn you.” He did not merely challenge the assembled sinners to cast the first stone only if it came from a place of sinlessness. He beseeched the adulteress to change her ways.

For today’s evangelical leadership, though, “Now go, and sin no more” seems to have become inconvenient to the church’s newest idol and most precious mission: Republicanism.

Electoral victory, obtained seemingly at any cost, has become more important than all other moral or religious obligations one might assume come with the role of spiritual leadership. Scarcely a month into this brave new version of conservatism, my suspicion is that we have not yet begun to see how far evangelical standards will yield to the Church of Winning.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...utm_source=twb
02-22-2017 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Tsao even in this thing you're lol accidentally conceding the point.

Aren't you allegedly also the opposition to Trump? Didn't you also fail?

Why are all your posts not using "we"? You're allegedly a Trump opponent who hates racism, you're the one saying we're on the same side here.
OMG YOU GOT ME

I guess see my latest post. I'm not saying "we" because I don't identify with liberals as a whole, and of course libertarians failed, we fail every god damn time, all twelve of us. The world isn't counting on libertarians, though.

Stop trying to blame anyone but yourselves for this, guys.
02-22-2017 , 01:23 PM
Re my previous post, it's funny that Trump forgot doing that BBC interview but his response before even being asked a question by a BBC guy is "Here's another beauty."
02-22-2017 , 01:33 PM
Tsao,

So like 1 lib misattributes a pic of an obvious racist doing one thing which isn't racist, 80% of libs say that's silly, some people laugh about it and then Trump wins?

That's pretty obvious bull****. Pretty clearly just racists looking to make something out of nothing, just like Suzzer, an anti-racist, was making something out of an innocent picture of a racist.

      
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