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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-22-2017 , 01:30 PM
Turns out that quoting Trump's actual words is "fake news", real news figures out the meaning behind the words.
01-22-2017 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by amurophil
hasn't been posted yet so I'll link it here. Conway's "alternative facts" interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcBblq-QOo4
she is revolting
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01-22-2017 , 01:35 PM
Jared Kushner, Trump’s Son-in-Law, Is Cleared to Serve as Adviser https://nyti.ms/2kcJMCd

DoJ wrote an opinion saying Kushner's appointment wouldn't violate anti-nepotism laws. The opinion references other legal opinions the DoJ has issued where Obama and Reagan weren't allowed to appoint relatives under the same laws and says "we think we were wrong then".
01-22-2017 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RainierWolfcastle
My sense is they that they see some sort of freeroll in lying about something that there's never going to be serious trouble over. Its a diversion that lessens the impact of more serious lies/scandal.
Bingo! They've been doing this since the campaign and the media falls for it EVERY time! Let's talk about crowd size. Meanwhile, we're confirming someone who's as qualified to head public education as a Labrador Retriever.

I read a headline yesterday: "Trump wrongly states 1.5M people attended inauguration". That's perfect. Report the facts and the president just lied, and move on! Don't give it any more attention. Especially, don't get bogged down on talk shows about something that quite simply isn't important.

Trump is like a little kid. If he can't get positive attention, he'll gladly take negative attention. As long as 100% of the attention is on him it doesn't matter. He lives for confrontations and to boast about himself. Meanwhile, while the media scolds him for eating meat with a salad fork, he's off writing on the walls with his box of crayons.

The media is really going to have to come up with news way to cover this guy. Every time he or his staff lies, report it and then move on. Don't give him the attention that he and his supporters thrive on. He much prefers being hated and ridiculed than being ignored. So just report the facts, then IGNORE the ensuing garbage spew!

Only exceptions: When it's something of true importance such as when he mocks a disabled reporter, suggests that women should be punished for abortions, or that Mexicans are rapists and murderers. Then hold his feet to the fire on that ONE point! Don't get sidetracked when he immediately follows up by attacking a gold star family. Stick with the subject at hand and once he is held accountable, THEN move on to the gold star family, etc. Until this happens he will play us like fiddles. He is a master at controlling the headlines.
01-22-2017 , 01:39 PM
Is Jared Kushner a wall street banker? I don't know anything about him. The DoJ says that they can do whatever they want
01-22-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I disagree.

Demonstrating that the Trump team will lie about even the most trivial thing is important. And this is a simple case, easy to understand. The real scandals will be harder to follow.
Chuck Todd is correct though. Spicer isn't some wacked out Trump fanboy who somehow slipped into a key administration position. Trumps advisors concluded that they could get an edge by sending out Spicer to point at a dog and scream that its a cat. The reaction from Chuck Todd et al is exactly what Bannon had to have anticipated. I'm not going to say its genius or that I know where it leads, but this is a trap of some kind.

That Bannon might know what he's doing is what is frightening.
01-22-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Jared Kushner, Trump’s Son-in-Law, Is Cleared to Serve as Adviser https://nyti.ms/2kcJMCd

DoJ wrote an opinion saying Kushner's appointment wouldn't violate anti-nepotism laws. The opinion references other legal opinions the DoJ has issued where Obama and Reagan weren't allowed to appoint relatives under the same laws and says "we think we were wrong then".
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01-22-2017 , 01:42 PM
bannon is playing 4D chess
01-22-2017 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
she is revolting
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The woman is good. She's also why he got elected. This is exactly what I'm talking about. All that time trying to pin her on an answer as to why the press secretary told some dumb lie. In the meantime, she got about 20 other talking points in while he got nowhere. We think it's absurd and insane, but Who do you think won that exchange in the mind of Trump voters?

Report the lie. Ignore it. Move on. I did like Todd's laugh though. I'd like to try Michael Moore's strategy. Make fun of him, instead of arguing. He hates being laughed at more than anything.
01-22-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
That's a pretty funny article for Breitbart. It contains all the evidence for a small turnout and no counter evidence other than spicer said so. It could be on MSNBC.
They know 75% of their readers and drudge readers won't read past the headline
01-22-2017 , 02:08 PM
Of course most Trump voters are going to say Conway won that exchange. But you are changing their minds zero percent of the time anyway.
01-22-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
CNN is fake news. They said it's illegal to read Wikileaks and we should trust what they tell us about information on WL. They claimed Omar Mateen was a self hating homosexual not motivated by RADICAL ISLAM but they still push the narrative. They altered the recording of a BLM leader to make it look like she was calling for peace during the Milwaukee riots when really she was calling for them to burn down the suburbs
All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.

All sides are the same. There is no source of truth. There can be no set of shared facts.
01-22-2017 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
pbs frontline
:thumbsup:

How long until that show pisses off Trump and gets killed off?
01-22-2017 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RainierWolfcastle
Chuck Todd is correct though. Spicer isn't some wacked out Trump fanboy who somehow slipped into a key administration position. Trumps advisors concluded that they could get an edge by sending out Spicer to point at a dog and scream that its a cat. The reaction from Chuck Todd et al is exactly what Bannon had to have anticipated. I'm not going to say its genius or that I know where it leads, but this is a trap of some kind.

That Bannon might know what he's doing is what is frightening.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
01-22-2017 , 02:17 PM
Spicer, Trump, and Conway have all repeated (almost verbatim) the stupid *$*@ about the Buzzfeed reporter and the MLK bust. The guy corrected it right away, apologized to Spicer, Spicer ACCEPTED the apology, and then Spicer STILL went to that presser thing and made a big deal about it. And they're still going on about it like that's what we should be taking out of this whole thing. Actually not even that... Spicer came out and just kind of randomly mentioned that Buzzfeed reporter tweet from out of nowhere for no reason. Def. Breitbart/Bannon playbook.

Horrible people.
01-22-2017 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
So how long before CNN and NBC are completely shunned and frozen out of the white house? White house briefings will soon be fox, breitbart, drudge, infowars.
This is legitimately where I think we are headed. In not too long we'll be full on "Mr. Trump, your presidency seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?" mode.
01-22-2017 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
So how long before CNN and NBC are completely shunned and frozen out of the white house? White house briefings will soon be fox, breitbart, drudge, infowars.
There will be some new outlets too. Like The Cuck Report and the Pizzagate Tribune.
01-22-2017 , 02:56 PM
The amount of insanity, psychosis and incompetence of this administration is simply mind-boggling. Right now we're on day 3 of the Trump presidency and the economy is good and there are no crisis or anything major going on, but as soon as something bad happens, the emperor's nakedness will be obvious to all.
01-22-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
This is legitimately where I think we are headed. In not too long we'll be full on "Mr. Trump, your presidency seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?" mode.
They're gonna fall in line and do whatever he wants them to and then later still get kicked out--there is nothing they can do to appease him at this point because once he hates you he'll never change that part of his mind no matter what you do.
01-22-2017 , 03:04 PM
Trump not releasing his tax returns, ldo: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-conway-233991
01-22-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
The amount of insanity, psychosis and incompetence of this administration is simply mind-boggling. Right now we're on day 3 of the Trump presidency and the economy is good and there are no crisis or anything major going on, but as soon as something bad happens, the emperor's nakedness will be obvious to all.
If the economy was good he wouldn't have gotten elected. That's why the midwest voted for him. It's not for the common person over here compared to 8 years ago. (in before things that only rich people have or benefit from get posted as the rebuttal)
01-22-2017 , 03:06 PM
01-22-2017 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Of course most Trump voters are going to say Conway won that exchange. But you are changing their minds zero percent of the time anyway.
I don't necessarily agree with this. They were conned and it's only a matter of time before they realize that. The quickest way to make them aware is to keep reporting facts, then shutting up about them and stop trying to win a war of words on national TV with expert pivoters like Kellyanne Conway.
01-22-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
I do not understand why Trump continues to care about:

*Staying focused on his rhetoric on Obama, Hilary, his war with the media, stupid stuff like inauguration crowd,... What is his goal here? Does he literally think that he has to win a debate on these matters before he can do his job or before he can win the respect of americans? Does he realize that the majority of people that don't respect him don't care about any of this stuff?
What else could he be talking about? Making the qualifications of DeVos and Perry for the posts he wants them to have is a loser to him no matter how often he calls them "the most blabla-ing ever". Even the Obamacare-repeal-light executive order would draw attention to the fact that insurers will soon be able to exclude for pre-existing conditions.

Every "press lies", "Obama mean", "crooked Hillary" narrative makes discourse be more "us vs. them" and draws the attention away from policy, which is obviously what camp Orange wants.
01-22-2017 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Trump not releasing his tax returns, ldo: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-conway-233991
I won't even bother asking Trump supporters why that doesn't make him a liar but I already know what they will say.

      
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