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05-14-2017 , 06:40 PM

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OmgGlutten!

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05-14-2017 , 06:40 PM

#32102

Paul McSwizzle

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Originally Posted by Jules22

Let me be clear on one point , IDGAF about lew or any of the other two or three trumpkins on this board. But zikzaks post to me was absurd. It's kind of sad I can't have any non Democratic Party position without being an automatic trumpkin defender but that's the state of the discourse these days, I get it

What? This isn't the case at all. The Democratic Party is heavily criticized on these boards. You are getting labeled a Trumpkin defender because your argument is that the federal government is evil and so $ should be withheld from it. That's the type of simplistic and privileged view that fuels Trumpism.

05-14-2017 , 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by quinsmommy

Yes, food and herbs cure illnesses better than prescriptions. Don't know how you get ef black people from my posts. You must not have good reading comprehension. Sure I am the idiot though. Please do go on...

JFC.

When Quin gets sick please give him actual penicillin and not a bowl full of mold.

05-14-2017 , 06:44 PM

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FlyWf

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

And as we can see with gun-rights - Democrats could completely capitulate on abortion, make it totally illegal, yet fear of abortion's return would still be a massive issue for (R) voters.

There is no point giving them an inch on anything. Conservative media will just make up a strawman in place of actual opposition.

Yeah. The Democrats have done nothing on guns since like 1993, and the NRA's rhetoric has only ramped up, there's no check on it.

It's post-policy, it's about how they feel, not what actually exists.

05-14-2017 , 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jules22

Something else that's clearly Trump's doing. Nobody has been better at widening the "us vs. them" divide than him. Republicans tend to do it the most, but Trump is exploiting it (and every other area where ethics usually draw a line) in a way that will make your head spin if you cared enough to learn some details.

05-14-2017 , 06:46 PM

#32106

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by Jules22

Loudly critique and then vote for anyway wtf does that even accomplish? You lot are like the beaten spouse who always goes back to the abuser. When you make everything super binary like "gotta vote hildawg or you're a nazi fascist etc etc" these are the type of positions people try to tamp down with a straight face

We live in a two party system, Jules, so yeah, you did have to vote Hillary if you wanted any ****ing credibility for what you're now claiming.

Seriously. Better lies this time or you're going to end up melting down again.

05-14-2017 , 06:49 PM

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No, replacing Trump won't magically solve all of our problems. But with Trump, we get Sessions, who destroyed a long-developing bipartisan concensus on prison reform in favor of...bringing back mandatory minimums? And on nonviolent drug offenses specifically. These are the people you're getting when you vote for "less taxes." You can't divorce that from all the other **** they do, including now covering up for treason.

05-14-2017 , 06:51 PM

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Oh the GOP could have grown a spine and refused to confirm Sessions for AG since he is obviously far from a bipartisan nominee. But that's not who they are. You're getting far-right extremists when you vote for "less taxes." It's a whole package.

05-14-2017 , 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jules22

I get that politics alpha is mostly echos now but wanting to pay less taxes is hardly staking out a joker-esque "some men want to watch the world burn" position. I want less of my money to go to the USA #1 war machine POS federal govt

the republicans are not going to lower your taxes. they are gonna lower the taxes of the top .1 or .01 percent. so ya, unless you are that wealthy, if you think that is gonna happen then my point about your idiocy still stands.

05-14-2017 , 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

It's kind of amazing people are still claiming this? Turns out if you didn't vote for Hillary, you got Trump! Gary Johnson's and Jill Stein's voted counted as much as toilet paper. You can be unhappy with both parties but if Trump isn't by far the worse of two evils or whatever you want to claim you're delusional.

05-14-2017 , 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jules22

Loudly critique and then vote for anyway wtf does that even accomplish? You lot are like the beaten spouse who always goes back to the abuser. When you make everything super binary like "gotta vote hildawg or you're a nazi fascist etc etc" these are the type of positions people try to tamp down with a straight face

What does loudly critiquing and voting third party accomplish? Game it out for me.

05-14-2017 , 06:56 PM

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My electoral vote went to Hillary fwiw so maybe find someone in Wisconsin who voted for Gary Johnson to harangue instead?

Also my preference for lower federal income taxes is not a tacit endorsement of any politician or political party, but I guess since only one party even pays lip service to lowering taxes it could be seen as politicking for the R's I get it

05-14-2017 , 06:57 PM

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The whole argument would hold a lot more water if the GOP were actually a reasonable pro-business party. But they support all kinds of retrograde nonsense that is a COMPLETE waste of money, and they don't even support right-wing solutions. They really are nihilists that just believe in the worship of wealth and greed.

05-14-2017 , 06:57 PM

#32114

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Yeah lew also you're forgetting the thing that you don't get to just pick and choose 5 things and then come up with fairy tales and everyone has to nod sagely.

YOU voted, loud and proud, for a senile fascist over a boring centrist. That's absolutely nihilist, it's saying that you don't care about the good of your fellow citizens.

Sorry if that un-PC truth triggers you but have some ****ing personal responsibility.

Jesus, again with this? I didn't vote for Trump.

05-14-2017 , 06:58 PM

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Like the thing that always boggles my mind about this conversation is that there is a perfectly reasonable pro-business party in this country. They're called the Democrats.

05-14-2017 , 06:59 PM

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Jules22

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

What does loudly critiquing and voting third party accomplish? Game it out for me.

Well I mean I looked at the candidates positions and voted for the politicians I felt represented my views and interests the closest. Went Bernie in the primary, exercised my California privilege and voted for Johnson in the main election since I knew those electoral votes were going to Hilary anyway. The only votes I cast that would make any "difference"- since I come from a district that has a congressman for life and state senator and state assemblyman are always R - would be for county supervisor.

05-14-2017 , 07:00 PM

#32117

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Well, the GOP isn't pro-free market for sure, but I'd say they're solidly pro transnational corporation. Ironic given how they campaigned and why some people voted for them, but that's the way it is.

05-14-2017 , 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Jules, no, what'd we just talk about? The liberals and leftists you're haranguing are often loudly critical of the Democratic party, even to the extent of specifically criticizing the hawkish foreign policy of the Obama era.

So that's not it.

Here's a primer since it seems you forgot:

1) Nobody cares about how their tax burden is split up from state/local/federal level, that you're weirdly claiming you are is something you're coming up with on the fly.

2) Donald Trump and the GOP literally run on increased military spending and more active foreign policy engagement, no way that someone who gets physically ill over "dead browns" would've seen this election as between two sides that are just as bad, and there's definitely no chance someone with those beliefs would continue to take weird potshots at the left in May of 2017.

ya its a pretty strange position indeed for someone to get "physically ill over dead browns" and then turn around and support the side that promoted torturing them and killing their innocent family members.

something seems off with this guy. not quite sure if I trust his self-descriptions

05-14-2017 , 07:01 PM

#32119

einbert

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Remember that time Obama let the auto industry die because he hates capital?

05-14-2017 , 07:03 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by Jules22

dude everything is "super" binary. thats the 2 party system.

05-14-2017 , 07:06 PM

#32121

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Jules-esque protest votes lead to Republicans being in charge of the next census and picking the SC vacanc(ies). Nice!

05-14-2017 , 07:07 PM

#32122

Jules22

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Originally Posted by Victor

What part of I would never vote for a republican is confusing to you guys lmao? I gotta stop responding to these before I get a banido so this is the last post correcting this, if you need a punching bags for republicans then have it but you probably make more hay on chiefs planet they practically extinct on this board. I have probably donated more to the ACLU this year then you ever have but go ahead and have your two minutes of hate if that's what makes you feel better.

05-14-2017 , 07:13 PM

#32123

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Originally Posted by Jules22

Not being a dick, but I didn't ask you how you voted. I asked you to tell me what you think your vote accomplished.

05-14-2017 , 07:15 PM

#32124

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Originally Posted by Jules22

Uh oh, Jules got into quinsmommy's stash again.

05-14-2017 , 07:15 PM

#32125

Jules22

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

Not being a dick, but I didn't ask you how you voted. I asked you to tell me what you think your vote accomplished.

What does any vote out of 65 million or so accomplish? I guess if I voted for Hilary I could be as smug and as self satisfied as your are, maybe I'll try it next time.

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