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Trump’s lawyers point out that he explicitly urged his supporters against roughing up protesters, following his calls to “get ‘em out of here,” with the plea “Don’t hurt ‘em.”

But Your Honor, I clearly told the man I wouldn't shoot him before I shot him. So I'm definitely exempt, by way of words.

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“Of course, protesters have their own First Amendment right to express dissenting views, but they have no right to do so as part of the campaign rally of the political candidates they oppose,” Trump’s lawyers wrote.

Oh, against the opposition? No that's not allowed. You can only protest people you agree with.

04-21-2017 , 12:29 PM

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I'm rescinding my one time and using it on a juicy Chaffetz scandal.

04-21-2017 , 12:30 PM

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FlyWf

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The first pushback on einbert's post was actually really salient for showing a flaw in the EXTREMELY typical liberal thing of wanting criminal justice reform for the wrongfully convicted.

No ****! Nobody wants innocent people killed. If that guy didn't do it, a life sentence is also a huge injustice.

The argument you have to make isn't about the individual inmate, but about the process. When you argue against the death penalty by saying this guy or that guy didn't do it or we can't be sure, what you're doing is conceding the premise that some people DO deserve death and you're just making it a factual question about whether this guy is one of them.

04-21-2017 , 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fatkid

I'm rescinding my one time and using it on a juicy Chaffetz scandal.

Looking who works for him, it wouldn't surprise me...

Shannon Sorensen

Alexandra Hirst

04-21-2017 , 12:58 PM

#27156

awval999

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I cannot decide.

04-21-2017 , 01:05 PM

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hnnnnnnnnggg

04-21-2017 , 01:06 PM

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No way either of those women messed around with Chaffetz.

04-21-2017 , 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Our House

"Of course, protesters have their own First Amendment right to express dissenting views, but they have no right to do so as part of the campaign rally of the political candidates they oppose,” Trump’s lawyers wrote.

I'd love to see their legal references for this, mostly to guffaw.

04-21-2017 , 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Minirra

The guy was a serial rapist, twice convicted but more testified, with another 2 rape/murders likely (tried for one of those/hung jury). 20+ years on death row for the murder conviction...now suddenly wants DNA testing at the end --and there was DNA evidence linking him in the other cases incidentally, though they decided not to try/retry him after this conviction was in place.

I'm all for going the extra mile in death cases, and if somebody wants to beat up on procedure with these things I'm likely to agree more often than not. Want to talk about the chemicals they use for injections and the political issues there, sure, that's very messy. Look harder into Lee's upbringing and mental capacity, I think that's fair game - you'll lose me a bit but it's at least something to consider.

But anybody on social media throwing around "possibly innocent" here are either being misled or actively misleading others. This isn't some unfortunate dude in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the posturing is nothing more than the ACLU and others waving around their opposition to capital punishment. Lee had his due process.

I wonder if the four dissenting justices missed this part in their briefs?

04-21-2017 , 01:31 PM

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Einbert,

Don't confuse calling your stupid arguments stupid with support for the death penalty. You argued the guy is innocent, which he's not. You also argued that Garland would have prevented the execution, which again seems like a no. One of the tough things about being a liberal is other liberals won't blindly support whatever runs out of your mouth.

04-21-2017 , 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sofocused978

No way either of those women messed around with Chaffetz.

if they did, it sure as **** isn't because he's smooth and good looking

if i had to pick, brunette ainec

04-21-2017 , 01:36 PM

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https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/s...68921268224001

LOL @ Junior. Low content, but good for satire IMO. There are a few gems in that article. Here's one...

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Out of this Islamophilia came a special dislike of Michael Flynn, who had planned to rip up the Obama-era “reset” with Muslim countries. Furious with Flynn for his apostasy from political correctness, Brennan and other Obama aides couldn’t resist the temptation to take him out after rifling through transcripts of his calls with the Russian ambassador. They caught him in a lie to Mike Pence and made sure the press knew about it.

Yes, the poor victim Mike Flynn. He was just about to take down all of the Obama governments, but they were able to frame him and get him fired for it first.

04-21-2017 , 01:36 PM

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Please cite where I argued that the guy is innocent. I never did any such thing, it's just that you can't deal with the actual arguments so you have to create a weak straw man that you can blow down. Be more intellectually honest please or get outta here with your ****posting.

04-21-2017 , 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by einbert

Stolen Supreme Court seats have consequences.

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/855273577532211201

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/855279608521924609

My bad mother****er, you just quoted tweets that said he might be innocent. Once again, stop saying stupid **** and people will quit arguing with you. Also, you are a barely more coherent, and liberal version of, Lirva. Don't be surprised when we don't completely understand what the **** you are trying to say. Your arguments suck, your posting sucks, and you, despite being well meaning, spam the **** out of these forums. Piss off.

Last edited by will1530; 04-21-2017 at 01:42 PM. Reason: yes, that escalated quickly.

04-21-2017 , 01:43 PM

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The truth is that the death penalty is horrific, and the fact that the state refuses to examine this DNA evidence is more evidence of that fact. The evidence that the death penalty is bad is so overwhelming, you can't even touch it. You just want to make personal attacks and strawman arguments against me. It seems to me that you are totally floundering and have no idea what you are even trying to argue.

04-21-2017 , 01:44 PM

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And no I won't piss off, I actually have an opinion and a point of view and I don't use straw man arguments to personally attack other posters when I am too stupid to understand their clearly laid out points of view. Why don't you learn how to communicate or take a few months to lurk and understand the nuances of our political system before you go running your mouth off about a bunch of stuff you clearly don't understand.

04-21-2017 , 01:45 PM

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Do you not understand that that 5-4 Supreme Court decision to not see an appeal most likely would have gone the other way with Garland, the rightful seat holder, in place instead of the stolen seat belonging to Gorsuch?

04-21-2017 , 01:47 PM

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The benefits of an additional appeal are massive. If we could hold out the process until after the limited supply of drugs expires, Arkansas will be unable to execute these men. That would be an incredible win for humanity and liberal democracy, and we could have had that with Garland rightfully sitting on the bench.