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Old 04-21-2017, 01:55 AM   #27101
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Einbert you might want to get out of the way of that one
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:24 AM   #27102
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The guy was a serial rapist, twice convicted but more testified, with another 2 rape/murders likely (tried for one of those/hung jury). 20+ years on death row for the murder conviction...now suddenly wants DNA testing at the end --and there was DNA evidence linking him in the other cases incidentally, though they decided not to try/retry him after this conviction was in place.

I'm all for going the extra mile in death cases, and if somebody wants to beat up on procedure with these things I'm likely to agree more often than not. Want to talk about the chemicals they use for injections and the political issues there, sure, that's very messy. Look harder into Lee's upbringing and mental capacity, I think that's fair game - you'll lose me a bit but it's at least something to consider.

But anybody on social media throwing around "possibly innocent" here are either being misled or actively misleading others. This isn't some unfortunate dude in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the posturing is nothing more than the ACLU and others waving around their opposition to capital punishment. Lee had his due process.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:39 AM   #27103
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The guy was a serial rapist, twice convicted but more testified, with another 2 rape/murders likely (tried for one of those/hung jury). 20+ years on death row for the murder conviction...now suddenly wants DNA testing at the end --and there was DNA evidence linking him in the other cases incidentally, though they decided not to try/retry him after this conviction was in place.

I'm all for going the extra mile in death cases, and if somebody wants to beat up on procedure with these things I'm likely to agree more often than not. Want to talk about the chemicals they use for injections and the political issues there, sure, that's very messy. Look harder into Lee's upbringing and mental capacity, I think that's fair game - you'll lose me a bit but it's at least something to consider.

But anybody on social media throwing around "possibly innocent" here are either being misled or actively misleading others. This isn't some unfortunate dude in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the posturing is nothing more than the ACLU and others waving around their opposition to capital punishment. Lee had his due process.
qft. I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, mainly because a number of innocent people have been executed, particularly in low profile cases. But that's maybe 1-3%. Most of these guys are very much guilty of heinous acts. The question is whether you're ok with killing a few innocent people in order to make sure you can kill some murderers or serial rapists with bad/overworked lawyers.

In fact, if I were to reform the death penalty it would be to have it only apply in "infamous" cases (however defined). That would likely satisfy the public's bloodlust (if the public cares, the case is likely "infamous"), while ensuring the cases get a certain level of scrutiny.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:46 AM   #27104
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If einbert is suggesting that Merrick Garland would be taken in by such a transparent gimmick to evade justice fully realized after full due process, then we dodged a bullet by not getting Mr. Garland on this court.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:49 AM   #27105
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Selling lies to the einbert's of the world is exactly like selling them to the old FOX morons. You just need a different set of lies to froth em' up. Know your (drooling) customer, laugh, profit.
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:02 AM   #27106
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:16 AM   #27107
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:14 AM   #27108
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Stolen Supreme Court seats have consequences.
This is not a good post. There's no indication whatsoever that Gorsuch was some kind of swing vote here and that without him, nobody would have been executed tonight. If anything, the WaPo article I found said (with possibly ambiguous wording) that no judges dissented in denying the stay.

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Alito, who is assigned cases from the federal circuit covering Arkansas, had issued an order delaying Lee’s lethal injection “pending further order of the undersigned or of the Court.” He vacated his order after the justices declined all of the requests.

According to the orders, Alito referred the stay requests to the court, which denied them all without explanation. No justices logged dissents, though some had earlier Thursday said they would have granted stay requests from Lee and other inmates. Lee was pronounced dead about 30 minutes later.
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Old 04-21-2017, 06:04 AM   #27109
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WTF people in this thread who aren't braindead Republicans actually support the death penalty?

Come on guys
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:00 AM   #27110
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Not a shock:

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Old 04-21-2017, 07:07 AM   #27111
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What is S.C.?
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:09 AM   #27112
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And, the usual Captain Obvious style prediction that he'll point to next week and say how right he was.

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SC = Supreme Court
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:11 AM   #27114
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Or South Corea, given the author.
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:26 AM   #27115
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WTF people in this thread who aren't braindead Republicans actually support the death penalty?

Come on guys
I'm just sad it don't include the poor, mentally ill, blind, deaf, developmentally disabled, promiscuous women, homosexuals, and racial groups.
How else do we make the master race stock great again?
Would save alot of money too!
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:54 AM   #27116
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Or South Corea, given the author.
Had the same thought, sadly.
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When you're failing hard 92 days in, and expect to fail even harder over the final week, the first 100 days is some "ridiculous standard" to achieve. But when you're on a winning rush...

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According to the NY Times article Trump spent hours with Palin, kid rock, and neugent.

I too occasionally do other things when i don't know how to do what I'm supposed to be doing.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:24 AM   #27119
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According to the NY Times article Trump spent hours with Palin, kid rock, and neugent.

I too occasionally do other things when i don't know how to do what I'm supposed to be doing.
Man of the people!
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:32 AM   #27120
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Donald is governing the same way Barack governed for the last 6 years, through EO's and appointments.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:35 AM   #27121
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WTF people in this thread who aren't braindead Republicans actually support the death penalty?

Come on guys
Yeah. I'd consider keeping it as an option for real mass murderers like Kissinger or Cheney, but I figured the liberals here at least were firmly all against.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:43 AM   #27122
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Donald is governing the same way Barack governed for the last 6 years, through EO's and appointments.
And for the same reason, no less: an entirely incompetent Republican Party. Since he's actually in their party one might expect he'd have better luck though. Incompetency knows no such bounds as party loyalty.
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President Donald Trump’s lawyers argued in a Thursday court filing that protesters “have no right” to “express dissenting views” at his campaign rallies because such protests infringed on his First Amendment rights.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-speech-237431
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:58 AM   #27124
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Yeah. I'd consider keeping it as an option for real mass murderers like Kissinger or Cheney, but I figured the liberals here at least were firmly all against.
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The Trump Administration has no plans to pay for its proposed tax cuts, according to revealing comments made Thursday by top White House officials Gary Cohn and Steve Mnuchin at an Institute of International Finance conference. There will be no border adjustment tax — the trillion-dollar hike on imports raised in Paul Ryan's plan — nor any other big new revenue generators.

Both Cohn and Mnuchin said economic growth would be the primary way to pay for corporate and individual tax cuts, while fewer deductions and tax simplification would also play roles. It is not an opinion that is widely shared by on Capitol Hill, including among Republicans.
Remember when Republicans say to any spending "but how are we going to pay for it", they're being completely disingenuous.

https://www.axios.com/trump-tax-cuts...370992617.html
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