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The outrage on the alt-right sites is quite amazing (ZeroHedge, Breitbart, The_Donald).

Now that Gorusch is all but confirmed will the GOP hang him out to dry and push for impeachment? Push is probably a strong word, not really try and stop it - probably a better phrase.

tax cuts take priority over all else, so no, they're not ready to impeach yet

04-07-2017 , 07:46 AM

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sportsjefe

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Also, this is SotU night all over again... people will never learn.

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/stat...02505082916865

04-07-2017 , 07:57 AM

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Joshfan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by +rep_lol

tax cuts take priority over all else, so no, they're not ready to impeach yet

They will still get tax cuts if they impeach though.

04-07-2017 , 08:00 AM

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For anyone who can answer so early on...

1) Was the strike a good move or not?
2) Are we expecting any retaliation?

Aside from feeling slightly nervous over the possibility of escalation, I'm not sure how to take the news just yet.

04-07-2017 , 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshfan

They will still get tax cuts if they impeach though.

you're probably right, that is, if impeachment doesn't end up being a lengthy process and dems dont win back a bunch of seats in midterms for the time being. that could throw a wrinkle into the plan and i dont think paul ryan and co is ready to risk that yet

04-07-2017 , 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Our House

The attack seems more symbolic than practical.

What's the point of destroying an air field if we aren't going to follow it up with some other attack? The idea of taking out military infrastructure is to make it difficult for your opponent to effectively fight back in case of an invasion. But if there's no invasion coming, then the attack has no practical purpose.

Symbolically, Trump is separating himself from Obama on how he deals with Syria (Obama faulted at the red line but I stood my ground. Look at how Presidential I am MAGA!!). From the POV of the rest of the world, it's the military equivalent of a slap on the wrist.

I'd argue that dropping bombs as a matter of symbolism is pretty irresponsible and reckless. But then again, Trump ran on a platform of being reckless with the ME so this fits with the way he ran for office pretty well.

04-07-2017 , 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

Why is it a "neo-liberal" to support destroying a ****ing airfield when its being used as a launching pad for death squads to kill innocents on a daily basis and its done with such impunity that they are now using chemical weapons to up the cruelty level just for sport? What is the "liberal" moral argument that this is wrong?

^This

Not everything Trump does is the world's worst possible thing.

Syria is an absolute ****ing **** hole. No one denies that. This attack isn't going to stop that or end their civil war. But maybe -- just maybe -- Assad thinks twice before gassing his own people again with Sarin. Maybe.

04-07-2017 , 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RV Life

So any chance this makes the GOP understand how ****ing erratic Trump is?

No. McCain and Graham are applauding the effort.

04-07-2017 , 08:28 AM

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this is the military equivalent of damaging someone's mailbox after they've run over the dog

04-07-2017 , 08:33 AM

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remember when kushner omitted meetings with russians on those security clearance forms? That's one of those things you shouldn't be doing.

That was news today. Already forgotten.

Our country is now in conflict and we need to come together. It's time to put this Russia distraction behind us.

04-07-2017 , 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

I think the cruise missile attack is the standard "tit for tat" response that keeps full blown wars erupting. I have been unable to follow the news lately is "OMG WW3!" the prevailing sentiment? My quick read is that world is applauding the move.

04-07-2017 , 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC

this is the military equivalent of damaging someone's mailbox after they've run over the dog

Well when you run over the mailbox before they run over the dog you run into issues like the world wondering why you are acting aggressively. Are you suggesting a stronger response?

04-07-2017 , 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by awval999

^This

Not everything Trump does is the world's worst possible thing.

awval setting high standards as always.

04-07-2017 , 08:52 AM

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King_of_NYC

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

Well when you run over the mailbox before they run over the dog you run into issues like the world wondering why you are acting aggressively. Are you suggesting a stronger response?

it's possible to be proactive and try to protect what's important without actually breaking anything. if the dog is brown though, this approach may not occur to some

04-07-2017 , 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by awval999

By this logic, shouldn't Trump also missile strike our own drone factories?

04-07-2017 , 09:20 AM

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In a related story, defense contractors and oil companies will be getting a spike in 10 minutes

04-07-2017 , 09:28 AM

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Russia pulled out of our agreement not to shoot each other's planes over Syria which means attacking ISIS will be harder.

Honestly though Russia will reinstate it at some time because they like us attacking ISIS as it keeps Assad in power.

04-07-2017 , 09:28 AM

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Okay, who had <1000 days until we were in a sticks and stones war?

04-07-2017 , 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by awval999

Of course you will simply ignore the mountains of repulsive hypocrasy of the many many many Trump tweets condemning this exact action when Obama was in office.

Try to have even the tiniest shred of consistency and character maybe.

04-07-2017 , 09:52 AM

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Especially given awval's response to the Muslim ban. Oh, now you care about Syrians?

Bull ****ing ****.

04-07-2017 , 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Our House

It seems short-sighted to me. However, I skimmed the comments at breitbart and they are against it as well so I'm beginning to wonder if there is some brilliance to it that I don't see. I remain skeptical of that.

Russia has already pulled out of a pact to not shoot our planes down and are planning to bolster the air defense system in Syria. I haven't seen any response from the rest of the world yet to know where anyone else stands.

04-07-2017 , 09:54 AM

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Cross-posted from the Syria thread:

Top aide: Obama worried about impeachment for Syria actions
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/31...-syria-actions

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President Obama's deputy national security adviser says in a new interview that the threat of impeachment "was a factor" in Obama's decision not to pursue a tougher intervention policy in Syria.

"We actually had Congress warning us against taking action without congressional authorization, which we interpreted as the president could face impeachment," Ben Rhodes told Politico Magazine.

When asked to elaborate, the president's adviser said that Republicans, including then-Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), made it clear that premature military action without congressional approval would be unconstitutional.

"That was a factor. Go back and read the letters from Boehner, letters from the Republican members of Congress. They laid down markers that this would not be constitutional. If we got drawn into a conflict in Syria without congressional authorization, without international authorization, without international support, you can see very clearly how that could have completely derailed this entire presidency," Rhodes told the publication.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...strikes-syria/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dennis-ku...s-impeachment/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3513138.html
http://www.speaker.gov/press-release...nt-obama-syria

04-07-2017 , 09:58 AM

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Especially given awval's response to the Muslim ban. Oh, now you care about Syrians?

Bull ****ing ****.

The literal Neo-Nazis and pizzagaters have jumped ship, but awval still stands by daddy Trump:

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White-nationalist agitator Richard Spencer, founder of the term "alt-right," appeared to switch his support to Hawaii Democratic congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, who had met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in January. On Thursday night, he tweeted, "I absolutely condemn Washington's military strike against Syria. #Syria #NoMoreWar," then "Tulsi Gabbard 2020."

“I guess Trump wasn’t ‘Putin’s puppet’ after all, he was just another deep state/Neo-Con puppet,” wrote InfoWars editor Paul Joseph Watson. “I’m officially OFF the Trump train.”

So who will denounce Trump first: awval or Scott Adams?