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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

08-23-2017 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Out on bail awaiting sentencing.
"Stay strong buddy."

Except in front of a stadium on TV.
08-23-2017 , 02:23 PM
The party that doesn't control the White House typically has bad midterm elections in the best cases. The likely saving grace for Republicans in 2018 is that the closest analog is the 2002 midterms, when Republicans expanded their majorities in both the House and Senate. That was after another presidential election where the ultimate winner lost the popular vote, and didn't have the coattails that Obama did in 2008. However, 2002 was also after 9/11, and GWB was way more popular than DJT is now, so the likelihood for an historic realignment is high, even without the prospect of a government shutdown.
08-23-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
https://twitter.com/dan_kammen/statu...60794231013376


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Not gonna be impressed anymore until one of these guys resigns and spells out **** YOU DRUMPF in vertical letters.
08-23-2017 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
The Dems are never overtaking the House. Not unless the economy massively tanks in the next 14 months which is unlikely. Obviously they will gain seats solely based on the getup factor of the party not in power having big turnout. Trump's insanity though isn't enough I don't think for them to gain enough seats to turn it over. Also Trump will probably go quiet again next summer like he did after August of 2016. Remember, "quiet" for him is still pretty noisy but overall the only major fuel Trump gave the media after August last year was the pussy gate thing which obviously came out through someone else. Trump "normalizing" late last summer was a large reason he was able to win the election because voter's memories tend to be short. I'm sure he will do the same 2-3 months ahead of the midterms as well
Disagree on most of this. Dems need to gain 22 seats for a majority. Pretty well within the realm of possibility: see 06 and 08. Not saying it's likely necessarily, but "never" seems strong especially if you're conceding they "obviously" gain seats.

Trump was never quiet, and pussygate was in October.
08-23-2017 , 03:47 PM
I can't find it now but I saw something the other day where a polling company had run a simulation 40k times and it predicted that Dems take the House in 2018.
08-23-2017 , 03:53 PM
Did anyone notice that John Kelly was asked to come on stage by Trump and he didn't last night?
08-23-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I can't find it now but I saw something the other day where a polling company had run a simulation 40k times and it predicted that Dems take the House in 2018.
At what rate? No way it's every time.
08-23-2017 , 04:04 PM
At what point will we start to get some predictive polling for 2018? Are there any resources out there to compare generic congressional polling from 1+ year out to election day results?
08-23-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I disagree with this. I think people will say if the President (and Republican Congressmen) want it then they should reach some kind of agreement so a stubborn 'no' will put the blame on the Democrats in the same way Republicans got skewered in the short term by holding up the debt ceiling for no reason. Of course, the Democratic starting point should be no wall and the try and get as much as they can for as little wall spending as possible. I guess we'll see.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59...b0a296083babf0
This is a golden opportunity for Democrats. They should have had these two votes circled on their calendar since the day after the election.

I don't think the wall is worth actually going to the mattresses over, especially considering that plenty of Republicans in the Senate don't want it anyway, and thus it's likely to be barely funded so that Trump can claim a win and save some face on the issue. To me, the wall is a colossal waste of money, screws over some people living near the border, and is a little offensive... But in the realm of Trump's offensive ****, it's nothing. In the realm of how much money we spend, whatever gets thrown in this bill is nothing. In the realm of people being screwed over, those living near the border are nothing - and most of the wall will be in states that went for Trump, anyway.

That said, this is a glorious opportunity for Democrats in Congress, as Congressional Republicans will be stuck dealing with both Democrats, their own flanks, and Trump to pass both a budget and the debt ceiling, with the wall attached to one or the other. Democrats can get a win here by either getting spending they want included (Obamacare subsidies are an obvious option), making Republicans look horrible, or both. If they're competent, they'll get some variation of both.

On the debt ceiling, there will be Republicans in Congress who will grandstand about only voting yes if certain spending is excluded (like Planned Parenthood type stuff, whatever the religious right's cause du jour is next month), about only increasing the debt ceiling if the budget is balanced, those that will view voting yes as a concession in and of itself and demand something in return from the left (or simply want to default), and I'm sure a couple will somehow otherwise manage to shove their heads up their asses on the issue as per typical GOP debt ceiling standard operating procedures.

Imagine if Democrats promised to vote yay unanimously in exchange for Obamacare subsidies and wildly popular ideas the GOP elites loath like a $2/hr increase in federal minimum wage (to $9.25), or a promised series of clean up-and-down votes in both chambers on better background checks, blocking mentally ill people from buying guns, blocking people on terror watch lists from buying guns, etc. (Democrats would likely lose, but Republicans would own their votes).

They also should be trolling Trump at every opportunity over Mexico not paying for the wall... This has major GOP/Trump implosion potential. There are even scenarios where a proposal hits the floor for a vote with broad Democrat support and still can't pass, or where the final bill has more D votes than R votes despite Republicans controlling everything.

I think Democrats should actually announce their willingness to fund the wall if something that Trump won't care about, but the GOP in Congress will, is attached to the wall. Pick something Trump has been flip-flopping on historically (abortion/Planned Parenthood, strengthening Social Security or Medicare) and say you'll fund the wall if that spending goes in, too. If Trump values a bipartisan wall > the issue you choose, you thrust the GOP into a massive internal crisis where Trump is lambasting his own party. If not, you can say you'll pass it without the wall or with that, it's up to the GOP and Trump who control everything... Either way, they're in a bad spot.

Some numbers that should guide Democrats strategy on this... As of 2010, only 26% of Americans knew that a filibuster required 60 votes in the Senate to break it according to Pew polling. Who's willing to bet that a lot of that 26% is on the left?

In theory, that number should be higher now after the politics of the last few years... But I'd guess that among Republicans it's still <25% and among independents it's probably <35%... Meanwhile, most non-deplorable Americans probably know that Republicans have the House, Senate and White House.

I think the GOP gets the overwhelming majority of the blame on this, and the majority of the blame that matters, too (like, the opinions of deplorables don't matter, their votes are locked in).

Democrats should know all too well that being perceived to be in control, without having a filibuster-proof majority, is a major headache on the debt ceiling and government shutdowns. The GOP has exerted maximum pressure in these situations for eight years. It's Democrats' turn. They better play chess, not checkers.
08-23-2017 , 04:11 PM
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...gging-service/

Should I be surprised that through comments the Whitehouse doesn’t understand freedom of speech?
08-23-2017 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
Did anyone notice that John Kelly was asked to come on stage by Trump and he didn't last night?
Maybe he didn't want to break federal law like Carson did.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/23/why-ben-carsons-appearance-in-phoenix-was-likely-a-violation-of-federal-law/?utm_term=.c21aa1412dfe
08-23-2017 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
I would go with Donald Duck over Trump
I would go with Donald Cuck over Trump

Spoiler:
08-23-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
I would go with Donald Duck over Trump
Sorry, too late, his allegiances are already with Trump

08-23-2017 , 04:24 PM
Poor Dan Kammen, he thought he would get to work for corrupt Hillary when he accepted this position in 2016, but it didn't work out for him. Best laid plans...
08-23-2017 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Бедный Дэн Каммен, он думал, что он будет работать на коррумпированную Хиллари, когда он примет эту позицию в 2016 году, но для него это не сработало. Лучшие планы ...
нет
08-23-2017 , 04:37 PM
Before reading this (assuming Hatch Act), I got reminded of how overly blatant the Emoluments clause has been violated and the explanation given.

When Trump got sued by Maryland and DC over Emoluments, DOJ/Sessions sent a letter that basically said Trump can take as much as he wants from foreign governments because this law doesn't apply to his situation.

EDIT: Your link is broken. Reposting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c21aa1412dfe

Last edited by Our House; 08-23-2017 at 04:57 PM.
08-23-2017 , 04:57 PM
The conflict with McConnell is pretty major development. Trump needs McConnell for basically any policy to be enacted. And when McConnell's former chief of staff says, "The quickest way for him to get impeached is for Trump to knock off Jeff Flake and Dean Heller and be faced with a Democrat-led Senate," that's a warning from McConnell himself, as no lobbyist is going to say anything that would alienate those he's paid to lobby.

Really, this is a dumpster fire of incompetence that screams mental illness. I think la affire de Trump is going to eclipse just about everything else in political science and modern history over the next 30 years. My take is that most people try to be "decent," but they just have no clue how the US political system operates. Trump just engaged their lizard brains, which had been primed by decades of resentment, and likely most, not really knowing much or following politics closely, thought he'd be better than those smooth talking elites who refuse to do simple, commonsense things to make Amercia Great again. These people are dangerous idiots, analogous to Hitler's willing executioners. Democracy must include them, but the system must be designed to limit their influence.

Also, random point on polls. The press loves headlines like "98% of Republicans think Jesus wrote the Constuitution." The thing is, however, that there are fewer and fewer self-identified republicans. You're only really talking about the "hardcore." Again, most Americans are pretty dumb and many dumb, otherwise decent people consider themselves "independent" because they don't really know much about history, politics, or policy.

Second random point: the GOP is doing more than I expected to "push back" on Trump, largely under the radar, like with the sanctions bill. Liberals complain that they haven't gone full anti-Trump, but they are resisting more than I expected, just in ways that are not particularly public. They really are a cornered animal with no good options. As I noted in some earlier post: "Trump's not trapped in here with you. You're trapped in here with him."

Last edited by simplicitus; 08-23-2017 at 05:08 PM.
08-23-2017 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
At what rate? No way it's every time.
No not every time.

This is it. http://politicaledu.org/2018-house-predictions/
08-23-2017 , 05:05 PM
Oh, and this "Build the Wall" budget threat. Trump is like a hostage taker with a gun to his own head. Pretty soon the crowd will be like, "Just Do IT, don't be a Wuss!" and "Pull the trigger!". The guy does not have a strategic bone in his body. It's laughable to see people like Skalansky/Dilbert try to impose some sort of rational framework on him. He's a bloated moron who is just mashing buttons.
08-23-2017 , 05:13 PM
Act II is going to be fun:

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The relationship between President Trump and Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, has disintegrated to the point that they have not spoken to each other in weeks, and Mr. McConnell has privately expressed uncertainty that Mr. Trump will be able to salvage his administration after a series of summer crises.

What was once an uneasy governing alliance has curdled into a feud of mutual resentment and sometimes outright hostility, complicated by the position of Mr. McConnell’s wife, Elaine L. Chao, in Mr. Trump’s cabinet, according to more than a dozen people briefed on their imperiled partnership. Angry phone calls and private badmouthing have devolved into open conflict, with the president threatening to oppose Republican senators who cross him, and Mr. McConnell mobilizing to their defense.

The rupture between Mr. Trump and Mr. McConnell comes at a highly perilous moment for Republicans, who face a number of urgent deadlines when they return to Washington next month. Congress must approve new spending measures and raise the statutory limit on government borrowing within weeks of reconvening, and Republicans are hoping to push through an elaborate rewrite of the federal tax code. There is scant room for legislative error on any front.

A protracted government shutdown or a default on sovereign debt could be disastrous — for the economy and for the party that controls the White House and both chambers of Congress.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/u...ell-trump.html
08-23-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
The conflict with McConnell is pretty major development.
McConnell already bent the knee, though

08-23-2017 , 05:47 PM
Trump's whole team had all those interactions with a foreign enemy over 2 years, and not a single one ever listed it on their forms or went to the authorities.

Now these same people CREATE the forms and they ARE the authorities.
08-23-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
No not every time.

This is it. http://politicaledu.org/2018-house-predictions/
That model doesn't look right at all. It has Dems as greater than 95% to take the house, which seems way too high. Looks like it's based on historical data, so it probably misses the gerrymandering advantage that Republicans have.
08-23-2017 , 05:51 PM
Guess I can't blame Trump for not knowing since I didn't or can I?
08-23-2017 , 05:51 PM
MSNBC said earlier that McConnell denied the reporting about Trump pressuring him. I can't find it in Google though. Anyone else hear the same?

      
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