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04-27-2009 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Metric
But you weren't done yet. The gun was not ready to fire at this point. You had to do one more thing, remember? -- you had to pull back the slide and release it. This stripped a round from the magazine and put it in the firing chamber (the back of the barrel).

One way to keep and autopistol handy is to keep the magazine loaded and in the pistol, but no round in the chamber. If you pull the trigger in this state (accidentally or otherwise), the firing pin falls on an empty chamber and nothing happens. But if you need to fire the gun, you have to pull back the slide and release it before it will be ready -- this is quick, though, on the order of one second.
Right, I remember pulling back the slide, which was already halfway back from when I fired the last round in the mag.

Would I want to keep the gun in that halfway back position so as not to chamber a round, or was that just that particular gun that does that?

Also, I think someone may already have said this, but tips for buying a gun: Avoid gun shows? Avoid gun shops with ranges attached? What's a good strategy for finding a good quality gun that won't break the bank?

And lastly, misfires: What of them? Will they happen to everyone at some point? Are they dangerous?

Last edited by Low Key; 04-27-2009 at 02:44 PM. Reason: Sorry about the influx of questions, I'm considering buying a gun within 1-3 weeks, so I thought I'd better get these asked
04-27-2009 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Right, I remember pulling back the slide, which was already halfway back from when I fired the last round in the mag.

Would I want to keep the gun in that halfway back position so as not to chamber a round, or was that just that particular gun that does that?


this happens when the last round is spent. you can set the slide like this on most guns, but you usually don't want or need to it is just an expedient for loading the next clip/round. You would not keep the gun in this position for storage

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Also, I think someone may already have said this, but tips for buying a gun: Avoid gun shows? Avoid gun shops with ranges attached? What's a good strategy for finding a good quality gun that won't break the bank?
Find a shop that you like IMO. Your going to have to trust your salesman a bit so use your poker skillz and a bit of reading here. Buy a brand name new or slightly used and post what it is here before you buy.

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And lastly, misfires: What of them? Will they happen to everyone at some point? Are they dangerous?
yeah they happen, not often, and usually harmless you just eject the round manually and keep shooting.
04-27-2009 , 03:38 PM
this looks like a decent set of free videos. YMMMV I have not watched them all the way through.

http://www.expertvillage.com/video/5...n-magazine.htm
04-27-2009 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Iuseproxies
Incorrect, at least on the range. If you experience a misfire, you need to keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction for about one minute, just in case a hang-fire occurs.


right hang fires are extremely extremely rare. But this is still good advice, but it needs to be taken a step further. The gun should ALWAYS AND FOREVER for the rest of your shooing life never ever not even once for a second be pointed at anything that you do not want dead.
04-27-2009 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Iuseproxies
I highly suggest you get your questions answered somewhere else other than a poker forum, perhaps a firearms forum where bad advice is more likely to be quickly put down. I mean, you wouldn't go to a gun message board to learn about poker would you?
Being a beginner I don't know of any really good gun forums. Gladly accepting any and all tips.
04-27-2009 , 08:51 PM
www.perfectunion.com
http://forum.pafoa.org/ (lots of conversations about PA, but, the pistol/rifle/shotgun/genreraeaegjagaw/gergjetc/etc etcetc forums are good for whatever.
04-27-2009 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Taso
www.perfectunion.com
http://forum.pafoa.org/ (lots of conversations about PA, but, the pistol/rifle/shotgun/genreraeaegjagaw/gergjetc/etc etcetc forums are good for whatever.
I'm being put on a Missouri watchlist for visiting these sites, right? =D

Last edited by Low Key; 04-27-2009 at 09:14 PM. Reason: the perfectunion polforum is like one long trainwreck!
04-27-2009 , 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeBlis
right hang fires are extremely extremely rare. But this is still good advice, but it needs to be taken a step further. The gun should ALWAYS AND FOREVER for the rest of your shooing life never ever not even once for a second be pointed at anything that you do not want dead.
Seriously, I get on my kids about pointing their toy guns at people and each other even now. One, just to ingrain the habit early, and two just in case they ever got their hands on a real gun while they're little, they might have better sense than to point it at anyone.

#2's REALLY remote, but hey, you never know.


I'm a zealot about this stuff, though.
04-27-2009 , 09:58 PM
frankly low key i think you should keep posting questions here. a lot of us have done a lot of research, i know i learned a **** ton when decided what rifle to get for myself/
04-27-2009 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Taso
www.perfectunion.com
http://forum.pafoa.org/ (lots of conversations about PA, but, the pistol/rifle/shotgun/genreraeaegjagaw/gergjetc/etc etcetc forums are good for whatever.
Here is an entertaining thread from another forum:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=462537
05-02-2009 , 03:50 AM
I finally got around to ordering some mags for my mini 14, got six 30 rounders to go with the 500 rounds I just got ()
05-02-2009 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Taso
i feel like low key is tarping us
This still makes me smile
05-05-2009 , 02:05 PM
Donate to the 'Chwick v. Mulvey' Appeal of
Nassau County County's Local Law #5
The 'disguised' handgun ban law.
Every little bit helps.
http://www.incnf.org/cvm.htm

Nassau County...
Where hypocrites rule.

Nassau County News Flash
*** STILL A BIG PROBLEM FOR NYS LICENSEES ***
Local Law #5 & #9
04/2009 UPADTE!
Donate to the 'Chwick v. Mulvey' Appeal of
Nassau County County's Local Law #5
The 'disguised' handgun ban law.
Every little bit helps.
http://www.incnf.org/cvm.htm


PRESS RELEASE-FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
UPDATE: Lawsuit Derails Nassau Handgun Ban

Mineola, NY - April 20, 2009 - The Nassau County local law banning the possession of handguns mislabeled "deceptively colored" stands, as a ruling against the petitioners was handed down on 12/18/2008 by Judge Davis. Needless to say, Judge Davis lost his bid for the position and has left the bench.

Nassau's Local Law #5, criminalizes the possession and sale of "deceptively colored handguns" as a supposed danger to law enforcement. The law bans all handguns except for those that are "black, grey, silver, steel, nickel or army green." It does not grandfather currently owned guns and mandates that gun owners surrender all banned guns for destruction without any compensation, and with no opportunity to sell them outside the county.

Because of the petitioner's Article 78, Nassau County passed Local Law #9, which modified Local Law #5 by adding the provisions for gold, brown and 'blued' guns, hence eliminating one petitioner and one of a petitioner's handgun from the suit. The ruling in December '08, further, but vaguely, protected camo colored guns by arguing, with very circular logic, that the law did not fully apply to them.

The petitioners filed a Notice of Appeal on February 10, 2009, with the intent and hope of overturning this wrongful ruling. The appeal, seeks to reverse the a ruling, because Nassau's local Law #5 is "preempted" by New York State's extensive gun control laws, and that the ruling improperly supported the respondent's case with non-preemptive cites.

The local law affects not only Nassau County pistol licensees, but all New York gun owners who either pass through or visit Nassau County. Anybody found with a banned handgun is subject to arrest and prosecution. The law is particularly hazardous to the many shooters who come into, or pass through, Nassau to participate in shooting events and have no way of knowing about this law. The law imposes a penalty of one year in jail and a $1000 fine.

Recognizing the importance of appealing this onerous ruling, and the law itself, the Shooters' Committee On Political Education (SCOPE), of Tonawanda, NY, and the Sportsmen's Association for Firearms Education (SAFE), of Commack, NY, are garnering their members' support for the appeal. SCOPE, SAFE, and the petitioners are seeking donations to help fight this ridiculous and dangerous local law, which holds dire implications for New York's gun owners, if permitted to stand. A victory in this case may well be the springboard for challenging other New York gun control laws.

Please donate whatever you can to either SCOPE or SAFE. Send donations to:
SCOPE, Inc.
PO Box 12711
Rochester, NY 14612.
Please make checks payable to SCOPE, Inc.

or to

SAFE, Inc.
PO Box 343
Commack, NY 11725.
Please make checks payable to SAFE, Inc.

Please, note in the memo area of your check "Legal Defense Fund-Chwick v. Mulvey."

Or via PayPal
Donate to the 'Chwick v. Mulvey' Appeal of
Nassau County County's Local Law #5
The 'disguised' handgun ban law.
Every little bit helps.
http://www.incnf.org/cvm.htm

All donations are greatly appreciated.

The petitioners continue to express their gratitude to SCOPE, the Freeport R&R Association Junior Club, and to those individuals that have donated, and now to SAFE, whose additional support will help us succeed in this appeal.

To read the case papers (Petition, Response, & Reply), go the SCOPE NY's website (www.SCOPENY.org):

* Nassau Local Law
* Article 78 Petition
* NC's Response
* Petitioner's Reply


For more information, contact:
Nassau County News Flash
Alan Chwick, Editor
516-903-1959
Editor@iNCNF.org
05-05-2009 , 02:08 PM
Man, that's my home town btw, Nassau County. The worst place aside from NYC to get a gun license in New York - $250 or something like that/5 years, compared to other counties that have $10/5 years. Raped. I'm not even going to bother, and am instead changing residency to PA. Nassau county, the land that I love
05-05-2009 , 03:59 PM
bans "deceptively colored handguns" as a supposed danger to law enforcement

WTF, what the hell does this **** even mean how are gold plated guns a danger to law enforcement

what a ****ing joke, reading **** like that makes me hate people and government more and more
05-05-2009 , 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taso
I finally got around to ordering some mags for my mini 14, got six 30 rounders to go with the 500 rounds I just got ()
and you tell ME to watch out for the NSA agents?
05-05-2009 , 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CheckRaise
bans "deceptively colored handguns" as a supposed danger to law enforcement

WTF, what the hell does this **** even mean how are gold plated guns a danger to law enforcement
They might think it's a fake gun and not know their lives are in danger.

I assume this is about some kid getting shot by a police officer somewhere because he had a toy gun and the cop didn't want to take his chances.

Not that I think this piece of legislation would do anything to deter that from happening.
05-05-2009 , 07:31 PM
Obviously. So let me get this straight

law bans people from owning say, a bright green gun. Now, when cops see a bright green gun they'll be sure its fake and won't shoot whoever has it, or will hesitate to shoot. So now...if you're a criminal...what color do you spraypaint your gun? BRIGHT ****ING GREEN.
05-05-2009 , 08:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taso
Obviously. So let me get this straight

law bans people from owning say, a bright green gun. Now, when cops see a bright green gun they'll be sure its fake and won't shoot whoever has it, or will hesitate to shoot. So now...if you're a criminal...what color do you spraypaint your gun? BRIGHT ****ING GREEN.
Currently, the law requires that toy guns have an orange tip to distinguish them from real guns. I haven't heard of criminals painting orange tips on their guns.
05-05-2009 , 08:25 PM
I don't think you've been listening/looking for that information then, Iron. This has been done a number of times.
05-13-2009 , 12:42 AM
My wife I showed her this video http://shock.military.com/Shock/vide...188154&page=14 and asked "hey babe think we need one of these"? Her instant and enthusiastic response was "OH HELL YES"!
05-16-2009 , 08:44 PM
When the economy collapses and we go into martial law, can we all meet at Taso's house? I'll bring duct tape and canned soup

(nervous laugh)
05-16-2009 , 08:52 PM
here comes some sort of joke about using the duct tape to make it so i can't resist gay sex of some kind, from neblis.


there are a lot of 2+2ers much better armed than I am btw, but, I do have the 'don't tread on me flags' we can hang up. also, my apartment complex is like a ****ing castle, and the building my apartment is in is like the keep.
05-16-2009 , 08:55 PM
more pics of guns pls
05-16-2009 , 10:06 PM
I turn 21 in a little less than a year, and am def getting a gun. Nobody in my family (at least I don't think) owns a gun. I live in Washington state and its a shall-issue state, pretty good gunlaws compared to when I was living in Jersey. Pretty noobish, only fired a gun 4 or 5 times, pretty informed on gun laws on paper. Gun vets, any advice?

Also would a .22 revolver be a good first? I probably won't CC until Ive been an owner for a while, but Seattle is pretty cool with CC. Probably move on, buy more after a while (assuming country doesn't collapse at the pace its at right now)

S&W

Last edited by bonsaltron; 05-16-2009 at 10:19 PM.

      
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