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Very exciting news! I will be purchasing a gun today.

I'm unsure of exactly what, hell I'm not even sure whether it will be rifle, pistol, or shotgun, but I'm purchasing a gun today.

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04-18-2012 , 02:09 PM

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Anyone watch TopShot?

Saw a pistol on there last night and I didn't catch the name of it. They said the muzzle velocity was 2400fps

04-18-2012 , 02:31 PM

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Anyone watch TopShot?

Saw a pistol on there last night and I didn't catch the name of it. They said the muzzle velocity was 2400fps

Didn't see the show. Could it be an FN Five-Seven, maybe? Google says 2100 fps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...asp?fid=FNF003

04-18-2012 , 02:31 PM

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Airsoft USPSA training:

04-18-2012 , 04:23 PM

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Why can't I turn down a GLOCK under $400?

I always tell myself I'm buying it to sell for profit but I never do.

04-18-2012 , 04:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gusmahler

Didn't see the show. Could it be an FN Five-Seven, maybe? Google says 2100 fps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...asp?fid=FNF003

That's it.

Anyone ever shot one? Opinions?

04-18-2012 , 05:55 PM

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I've never shot one, but I've heard the gun has basically no recoil and is really easy to shoot. But the ammo is incredibly expensive.

I just looked, it's 500 rounds for $212, which is about the cost of name brand 9 mm ammo. Thing is, you can find bulk ammo for half that price for 9 mm. There's only one manufacturer of 5.7mm ammo, so that's the lowest price you can get for 5.7

Trivia: The Fort Hood shooter (Major Nidal Hasan) used an FN Five Seven during his spree.

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04-18-2012 , 06:06 PM

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Just looked at the article on the Fort Hood shooting. This part was interesting:

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According to pretrial testimony, Hasan entered the Guns Galore store in Killeen on July 31, 2009, and purchased the FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol that he was to use in the attack at Fort Hood.[10] According to Army Specialist William Gilbert, a regular customer at the store, Hasan entered the store and abruptly asked for "the most technologically advanced weapon on the market and the one with the highest magazine capacity."[10] Hasan was allegedly asked how he intended to use the weapon, but didn't give a straight answer, insisting that he simply wanted the most advanced handgun with the largest magazine capacity.[10] The three individuals conversing with Hasan—Gilbert, the store manager, and an employee—all agreed upon the FN Five-seven pistol.[11] Gilbert, who personally owned one of the pistols, spent nearly an hour describing it to Hasan, explaining that the gun was extremely lightweight and accurate, and telling him that the bullets it fires cause severe damage on impact.[12]

They gave him bad advice. You can get Glock 9mm magazines with 33 round capacity (which is what the Gabby Giffords shooter used). The FN only has a 30 round capacity.

FN does make a bullpup rifle that uses the same cartridge as the Five-Seven: the PS90. http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...asp?fid=FNF009

You can get 50 round mags for the PS50.

04-18-2012 , 06:38 PM

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The GLOCK 9mm is also infinitely more reliable than the 5.7 as well.

I will say that 5.7 is a great round IMO

04-18-2012 , 06:57 PM

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If you can reload like this, you don't have to worry about high capacity mags.

04-18-2012 , 09:24 PM

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5.7 will compromise a Level II vest. That's probably why he was advised to use it.

04-18-2012 , 10:47 PM

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The GLOCK 9mm is also infinitely more reliable than the 5.7 as well.

What is this based on?

Ammo is cheap compared to my 10mm lol

04-18-2012 , 11:10 PM

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My belief that GLOCK pistols are tougher than cockroaches by magnitudes of 100's, and nothing else comes within range of GLOCK reliability.

Heres some torture testing:

04-18-2012 , 11:32 PM

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Just wondering if it was due to a flaw or performance issue on the 5-7 side.

The glock boom is talked about in the 10mm world not sure if other calibers cause it. Basically the round explodes in the barrell and destroys the frame. On my phone or I'd post pictures.

04-19-2012 , 12:30 AM

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I'm not a fan on 10mm.

I think it was a good idea that was engineered poorly.

My personal opinion is that when the 10mm got retooled into the 40 S&W it was vastly improved.

Uncontrollable hand cannons are fun to play with (see the S&W 500 with 4 1/2" barrel and the Desert Eagle) but they're just not practical for self defense carry.

04-19-2012 , 09:58 AM

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Speaking of the FN Five Seven, Hickok45 just reviewed the gun.

04-19-2012 , 10:03 AM

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Turns out that another youtube gun reviewer also reviewed the gun very recently.

04-19-2012 , 10:57 AM

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Open Carry Rant below:

This morning I head to Wal-Mart. As I'm walking through the store, I encounter the world's dumbest OC'er. He's walking through the frozen food section, oblivious to all around him, carrying a polished 1911 in a small of back holster.

I looked, found it humorous at first. The more I looked the more angry I got. Soon I was forced to walk away. I became so enraged at the stupidity of this ******* that it became difficult to fight the urge to knee this **** in the kidneys, snatch his gun and pistol whip some sense into him.

Jackass

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04-19-2012 , 11:48 AM

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/agree 10mm runs good in heavy pistols and not so good in poly guns (read good in 1911 not in Glock) And if your a reloader you can do awesome things with it. But its a nerd cartridge for sure. I fee the same about .357sig and .40 tbph it you need the things that those rounds do well get a carbine. Otherwise pistols should be 9mm or .45 and revolvers should be .357 or .41.

the only caveat I have to using "nonstandard" rounds is .300ACC

04-19-2012 , 11:52 AM

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LOL yeah

hard to resist the urge to call out a dummy.

I had a similar thing with a girl that works at the range. She usually carries an LC9 or a Glock but has a nice 1911 and she is searching for a good holster. I went in the the other day and she had it behind her hip in a Sherpa paddle. I showed her how fast I could take it from her and how fast she could Tex Grebner her leg and she changed her tune.

04-19-2012 , 12:02 PM

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I've been strongly considering that safariland locking holster.

Also, I've converted a Blackhawk Serpa Level 3 into a holster that can be worn on a standard belt rather than a duty belt. It's not a concealment holster, but it's OC done right, for the times I just can't fight the urge to not walk into a room screaming "HAI GUYZ! I HAZ THA GUNZ!!" anymore, which is rare.

I estimate you would find yourself feeling a throat punch (likely being assisted with a Kabar TDI) before you snatched that.

Best part is it adds barely any time to my draw time.

04-19-2012 , 12:46 PM

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Otherwise pistols should be 9mm or .45 and revolvers should be .357 or .41.

I guess you don't agree with this article that says that the .357 doesn't add enough over the .38 special to make up for the increased recoil, at least in short barrel guns.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De....38spl/.357mag

04-19-2012 , 12:52 PM

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Yeah I can run a sherpa but see no reason when safariland has such a better product. If I already owned one I would use it but never recommend them to a noob. For all the stupid that APD does switching to M&P in safariland was the smartest move ever IMO.

If I'm OC its in a situation that I already have a rifle out and I have physical retention skills like you mentioned above.

04-19-2012 , 01:07 PM

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Yes I agree with that 100%. Ment to note that but poasting from my phone.

04-19-2012 , 01:08 PM

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I agree with that. The 357Mag J-Frame is a funny little hand cannon.

I carried one for a while as a BUG on my ankle. The fact that is was a FLHC didn't really bother me too bad, since I figured the only times I'd be using it were edge of death, SHTF situations anyway.

I wouldn't recommend it for a primary carry gun for anyone who isn't experienced enough to know exactly what they're getting into.

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