Yeah I have been around firearms all my life. My father is retired green beret and we lived in rural areas or near a military base growing up. So they are normal tools to me.

But another attraction for someone like the General ITT is the device itself. Guns are allot like cars or motorcycles etc. They are fascinating machines and the enjoyment of tinkering with them and gaining skill in their operation is empowering and interesting.

The deadly aspect of the thing is difficult to understate and is something that any responsible gun owner knows at all times. But I understand that they can be flat out alien and scary if you don't know much about them. The thing to understand as a non gun person is that your fear or apprehension is completely a creation in your own mind. The thing to understand as a gun person is that some people will simply never get over that fear or understand what we do.

No I was saying that the laws don't do jack **** except make the hobby side of gun ownership a bureaucratic nightmare of illogical annoyance. If someone wants a gun to do bad things the law isn't stopping them. If someone wants to go plink targets on the weekend the NYC law is likely to screw them at every turn.

And therein lies the problem with allot of gun legislation. Politicians use the fact that you lack knowledge against you. Proceeding from the premise that guns are evil they write silly laws and advertise that they have made you safer. You don't know the difference or care so you assume that they are doing good work.

Cool, I have no problem with that. I have no interest in baseball or competitive scrabble.

who doesn't like competitive scrabble wtf.

Here's something that's been brought up before but worth repeating because most gun shunners aren't aware of it: police have no legal obligation to protect individuals, so responsible individuals take it upon ourselves to be able to protect our families.

Even if police were legally obligated to protect you, as the saying goes: "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

lol, competitive scrabble and baseball are like two of my favorite things. While i could understand why people have a love and a fascination for guns , and i also support their rights to bear arms. I believe far more harm than good is brought upon by them. My stance on people being able to carry guns is the same stance as those opposed by curbing immigration. They reason that since some criminal element crosses the border illegally , all should be disallowed. So for the 49 of you guys who dont mean ill , the one lunatic who thinks self defense is shooting someone who might have beaten you up, or because he set two steps into your property .

What about other uses of this mentality though?

Drunk drivers:Ban Cars
Excessive Stabbings:Ban Knives

Etc.

because the gains in productivity and access that cars bring outweigh the bad brought upon by them (reckless/drunken drivers)

FYP

the car analogy is a little off IMO. Guns are more like motorcycles. They have an element of inherent danger, aren't for everyone, require skill, have a culture that enjoys the challenges etc etc. Like motorcycles guns have people that are scared to death of them and hate them and aficionados that can't understand people who hate them.

I just never understand why people are so afraid of law-abiding people getting/carring guns. It's like they are scared that Joe Law-abiding with his CCW is going to shoot him at Walmart. It makes no sense. The criminals DO NOT CARE about the laws.

The only, and I mean only, place where gun nazis have a point is at the point of sale. I mean I could possibly see or understand or accept a registration or whatever. But that's still not gonna stop a bad guy from going to the ghetto and buying a piece off the street for cash. I just don't understand how banning them all is going to do anything.

Being afraid of a law-abiding citizen carrying a gun is the similar to being afraid of a gay man or a black man just because of who they are. Makes no sense imo.

innocent bystanders tho

YGOS?

It's been estimated that over 170,000,000 people were murdered by governments in the 20th century. Most of these democides were conducted in countries where the populace is forced by law to live unarmed. Perhaps if the victimized citizenry of these murderous countries had been armed, many of these deaths could have been avoided.

You see an armed citizenry doing more harm than good, whereas I see an unarmed citizenry inviting great harm upon itself, subject to the whims of the government forces that be.

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Could the mainland United States ever be successfully occupied by a non-alien, foreign military force?

I vote no.

Most armed citizenry in the world vs most armed military in the world tho

Key word in my question was foreign tho.

My keyword was tho, lol.

Was agreeing with you, but saying us citiens are still out powered by our own gubment by leaps

These guys may have something to say about that.

resisted buying this today... mainly because of the wait time and the $$$$$ ammo

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I've never touched a gun or really even looked at one, so I'm sorry if this question seems dumb. My cousin's cousin (someone I've never heard of until now) recently killed his mother in a gun cleaning accident. I see that this horrible situation isn't as rare as we would like. What I'm wondering is how does this happen? I don't know what's actually involved in cleaning a gun, but in my head, there are so many things you have to do wrong for this to happen. Like, how do you not check more than once that the gun in not loaded, and isn't there a safety that should keep the gun from possibly firing, and why would you be touching the trigger when the gun is aimed anywhere but at the ground away from your feet?

I mean, I guess the answer is probably like with many things -- once you're comfortable enough with something, you sometimes do stupid, risky things with it since you feel you have everything under control. But still, I just don't understand it in this type of situation.

it seems almost too stupid to believe...


seriously, was he investigated or did the police "George Zimmerman" the case?

The safety is irrelevant to cleaning.

The issue is simple. Your cousin was recklessly stupid and did not confirm the weapon was unloaded prior to cleaning.

It's really as simple as that. Anything beyond that isn't reasoning, just an excuse for inexcusable behavior.

This, it's just not hard. The first thing you do when you pick up a weapon for cleaning is eject the magazine, lock back the slide, and check the barrel to make sure it is empty. Then I don't manipulate the slide until I'm ready to disassemble the weapon. I didn't know it was loaded is absolutely never a valid excuse.

I have honestly no idea. I don't even know what state he lives in.

Does the safety really mean nothing, or do you mean that it should never matter because relying on it means you've messed up something else?

Also, he's my cousin's cousin (I think he's actually my cousin's step-cousin or half-cousin or something). Don't make him sound related to me.