I had the chance to shoot a S&W 640 .357 snub (was shooting 38's out of it though) and holy **** is that thing hard to aim. It doesn't have any rear sights so you better be damn close to what you wanna kill. It had a "trough" where the rear sight should be so you could line your horizontal sight picture up but your vertical sight picture is just SOL.

We need to work on point shooting my friend.

yes we do. just point and unload?

THIS an airweight snubby kicks like a mother beast from hell. Not recommended as a primary range gun or as a first gun.

That said they are good to have and good to have experience with.

DBJ did I ever tell you about snubby challenge? take one of those and from low ready put 5 round inside 5 inches in 5 seconds at 10 feet.

Well I went and got another gun... this ones gonna irritate DBJ since he coulda bought 4 Glocks...



sorry for the crappy phone pic I was just running through it after bringing her home and snapped it.

wat why??

The smaller and lighter a gun is the more recoil it has. The shorter the grip the harder to control the recoil. the shorter the barrel the harder it is to aim, and less accurate it is. So basically with a snub you are fighting the gun to run it right.

I'm going to ask you to do something that is going to make you look rather stupid, but it does work to increase point shooting accuracy:

At the range, holster the gun.

Interlock your hands together, in the same basic fashion you would were you holding your gun.

Go to a low ready position.

Quickly, without dragging ass bring your hands from a low ready to on target, using your index finger on your support hand to "aim" at your target. Be sure you PRESS out onto the target. Really punch hard toward the target with your dominant hand.

Do this maybe 25 times, then bring the gun into play to do the same thing.

I think you'll be surprised. Of course you can see where you stand and possibly adjust. The issue is, you as a human being have been pointing your finger at **** since probably before you were able to walk, and you're probably pretty damn accurate with it. So now we transfer that skill you've been practicing your whole life to the gun.

Note:this won't allow you to use your pistol to take a head shot at 25yds in a hostage situation, however it will, when trained into muscle memory, allow you to hit center mass repeatedly on a human sized target at 3-10 yds.

There's also a method that involves putting electrical tape over your rear sights as a training drill, then over both front and rear, but l'll let NeBlis or someone else cover that.

If they don't I'll find a video in the AM.

in regards to reloading your own rounds, the cheapest I've seen online for 7.62's is $15 for a box of 20. that's not including shipping i assume. pretty sure the walmart near me is like $18.

how COULDN'T reloading be much cheaper? if I wasn't getting 500 rounds with the rifle I wouldn't even be able to afford to get comfortable with it right away..

how much is the startup cost gonna be? approximately? I'm in the process of drywalling/pimping my garage so I'll have a ton of room out there and like someone said, a lot of the reason why I'd reload would be for relaxation...I've hand-sorted copper pennies by the box for years, it calms me down at the end of the day.

so basically, shooting a full 30-round mag is gonna cost me $20??!? looool

buying in boxes of 20 is for ammo fish and shooting things that you don't own or rarely ever shoot. Buy in 500s MINIMUM. Personally I only buy in 1000 round cases if I can help it. Your gonna shoot it and the prices are way better. For example.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/tula/1...oint-tula-ammo

1k rnds of 7.62 for $209 thats ~.20 per rnd so $6 a mag. Not free but much cheaper than your above option.

I think you would be hard pressed to reload cheaper than ~.15 per at the very best. But like I said if it seems like something you would enjoy then I would do it for that alone.

thanks, will def be buying in bulk then. ordering ammo online is as easy as buying a shirt?

also, what about the start up costs of doing my own? suppose I can check it myself just curious. I'll prob get a membership at the outdoor range by me for the summer, so I can see myself going through several thousand rounds in the next few months..

Thanks DblJ.

Should I use a solid silhouette target for this as opposed to the silhouette with center mass and heads rings?

I've never practiced self defense shooting, but have thought to myself several times "**** how am I gonna get a perfect sight picture when some **** sucker has drawn down on me and my heart is beating out of my chest"

But if you stand still and let me aim, you're gonna get measured for suit lol

I'd use a standard police silhouette.

If you're that accomplished with marksmanship, it sounds like its high time you moved up to something more challenging anyway.

At the level you're describing, indexing and such should come pretty natural to you.

What I'd recommend as a "Where Am I?" exercise is from about the seven yard line, hold the weapon at a low ready, facing the target, near your sternum. Use your wrists to aim for where you feel center mass should be, based on indexing and feel.

Pull the trigger, see how far off you are.

Watch this video: Which is a repost, the particularly relevant portions are 01:12 - 03:02



Sonny Puzakis is a guy I've trained with and worked with a few times, great guy, he travels everywhere. If he's ever in your area hit him up and go to a class, have a drink at the BS session afterwords as well.

Sonny Puzakis is one of the great tactical minds of our generation, I'd put him near Jeff Cooper and Weaver of our generation.
^^^^^Flame away NeBlis^^^^^ You have my permission.

Also, here's a goal for you to accomplish. It's being done by a 15 year old girl, so I know you're capable:

nothing better than seeing a teen girl shoot her glock imo

JFC I'll be here and the Drunk thread for the evening.

you lack imagination imo

+1

Hot pics (of women) wneeded for poor imagination

Cute but , chicks gonna eat a ricochet IMO... stop shooting the ground you goofball!

****ing nit... WTF was she supposed to do, shoot the quarters in the air?

/sarcasm

An interesting thread I ran across @ ar15.com awhile ago:

Street Robberies and You

I won't quote the whole thing since it's more than a couple paragraphs. Opinions?

That dudes off his ****ing meds lol.

I'm I'm the middle of something right now so I'll give a more detailed analysis later, but let me say right now, if you pull a gun on someone in a parking lot or whatever and they run off, report that ****.

If it was an honest misunderstanding and the person you drew down on ISN'T a criminal, and you just hop in your car like "nothing happened" you could find yourself very soon face down on the asphalt listening to commands on a police PA.

I'll give you more in a bit.

Eager to hear what else ya got. That particular part struck me as wrong as well.

I'll go through the quotes I agree with, the rest is straight cowboy bull****.


This last point I can't emphasize enough. This is my experience:

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Cliffs: I shot a guy who had just stabbed a guy to death. I told him four times to drop the knife, he kept advancing. 9 witnesses saw this.

After the shooting my backup immediately corralled all the witnesses. The LT got there and said "What happened" I said "I shot him. He had a knife.". He said "Anything else?" I responded "I want an ambulance. I'm going to the hospital for a full checkup. As well as a drug screen. I'll contact my attorney and have him meet me at the office to meet Professional Standards"

He said "Good call.". I gave him my gun, magazines and the keys to my car. The only other statement I made is "He's got witnesses over by his car.". He said "Ok" and I sat on the hood waiting on an ambulance, and didn't say a word to anybody.

And that's the cleanest shoot you'll ever read.

Also, this:

Is pure bull****. I have mild PTSD now. I go to therapy. Anybody that thinks shooting someone, even someone who just murdered someone and is coming after you is easy and you can just forget it is a moron.

I just don't want to see a cute girl get knee capped YMMV, maybe they were shooting frangibles.