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03-19-2012 , 05:26 PM

#1226

joeyDizzle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LirvA

Cite

his ass

03-19-2012 , 05:27 PM

#1227

LirvA

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lol

03-19-2012 , 05:36 PM

#1228

Bill Haywood

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LirvA

Cite

Seriously? Decades of discussions or overheard conversations with/of other human beings; reading the gun literature; reading adolescent posts on gun forums; going to gun shows and shooting ranges and observing the mentality of participants. Living in America.

Oh, and the Zimmerman case in Florida that I linked.

The observation is about people fixated on packing, not all gun owners. If you don't have a compelling, specific reason for packing (running a mobile check cashing business, working for Brinks, being a cop), then it's a very rare person that isn't motivated by being caught up in a cowboy trip.

03-19-2012 , 05:40 PM

#1229

LirvA

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Yes seriously. Any non obvious statement needs to be accompanied with a reliable citation, and that's not a reliable citation I'm afraid :/

03-19-2012 , 06:45 PM

#1230

Bill Haywood

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LirvA

Any non obvious statement needs..../

You would demand an octopus cite that it lives in water.

I know your people very well, that's how I know.

03-20-2012 , 12:15 AM

#1231

LirvA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

You would demand an octopus cite that it lives in water.

Cite

03-20-2012 , 01:05 AM

#1232

Low Key

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

You would demand an octopus cite that it lives in water.

I know your people very well, that's how I know.

One of your sources amounted to: I smoke, therefore I know that other people smoke because I smoke.

Not the strongest argument.

03-20-2012 , 08:54 AM

#1233

miajag

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meh, I'm pro-gun rights but most people I know who are really gung-ho about concealed carry, NRA, stocking up ammo etc. def give off a cowboy/small penis complex vibe

edit: btw, not sure if it was mentioned ITT (or even whether this is the proper thread to mention it in) but Maryland's highly restrictive carry law was recently struck down by a federal judge: http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/...ral_judge.html. Will be interesting to see what happens on appeal.

03-20-2012 , 10:29 AM

#1234

Bill Haywood

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Good reporting by the Miami Herald on the "cowboy/small penis" Zimmerman guy who shot the kid.

Quote:

Calls to 911 alerted police to a scuffle and someone crying for help. In one, the chilling howl stopped after the clear, crisp blast of a bullet.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...-habitual.html

03-20-2012 , 11:31 AM

#1235

MuresanForMVP

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Originally Posted by miajag

Im really waiting to see what's going to happen with the MD ccw law. If it becomes a shall issue state ill probably get a ccw and carry occasionally, but it's just such large responsibility to carry a concealed weapon i could see myself just saying F it most of the time. Lol@ bill haywood for using an idiot like zimmerman to paint millions of americans as vigilante, small penised ******s.

03-20-2012 , 11:43 AM

#1236

miajag

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yeah, I mean I could probably get one now given my clean record and the fact that I'm a business owner who regularly makes cash deposits (BRAG?) but I just haven't had the desire or motivation to bother.

I'm totally fine with MD becoming a shall-issue state, but the penalties for any sort of firearms-related crime or violation of the terms of the permit should be severe.

03-20-2012 , 01:38 PM

#1237

NeBlis

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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

Let vigilante-mentality people carry, this is what you get. Take the gun out of the situation and there's a fight at most. The problem with liberal carry laws is that the people who most want to carry are individuals who live a constant fantasy life of violence, and are waiting to reenact years of built up fantasy play.

LOL no.

this case is a complete random anomaly. There are something like 1.5 million cases of defensive gun use in the USA every year and I will bet you anything that 99.999% of those people wish that the gun had never come out but are thankful that they had the option when they needed it.

03-20-2012 , 01:45 PM

#1238

NeBlis

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MuresanForMVP

it's just such large responsibility to carry a concealed weapon i could see myself just saying F it most of the time.

yep I know allot of people who think the same.

Quote:

Lol@ bill haywood for using an idiot like zimmerman to paint millions of americans as vigilante, small penised ******s.

yep

The thing you begin to notice about these types of objections is that people are clearly projecting their own thought process into the situation. They say things like "people will just snap and start shooting" or "having a gun around causes suicides" when these are impulses that they have not others. On one hand its good that mentally unstable people like this don't buy guns. On the other we have to put up with hoplophobes talking nonsense.

03-20-2012 , 01:49 PM

#1239

NeBlis

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Originally Posted by miajag

not sure if it was mentioned ITT (or even whether this is the proper thread to mention it in) but Maryland's highly restrictive carry law was recently struck down by a federal judge: http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/...ral_judge.html. Will be interesting to see what happens on appeal.

MD is gonna appeal... and get wafflecrushed again and probably loose some of the concessions they got on the first round.

Also this case sets up ******ed laws in NYC, DC, Chicago, etc for the fall as well.

03-20-2012 , 01:54 PM

#1240

Low Key

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Originally Posted by NeBlis

Nope, you're completely wrong. There's only one guy in the whole country with a conceal-carry permit, and it was this guy, and he WILL KILL AGAIN!!

03-20-2012 , 05:52 PM

#1241

NeBlis

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For The General on sale at Midway "Complete Ruger 10/22 Rifle Disassembly & Reassembly" DVD

03-20-2012 , 07:17 PM

#1242

wiper

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guess a price for me: clean-looking ak-47, 4 extended mags, extra stock, magazine loader, 500 7.62 rounds.

offered to me.

I'm out, I'll put the price/pics up later.

ftr he increased the rounds from 100 to 500 today from yday, think he's needing quick money.

03-20-2012 , 09:00 PM

#1243

General Tsao

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$650

03-20-2012 , 09:31 PM

#1244

RadioActive1

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Never have priced an AK or a 7.62 round. Might be a donk guess, but $900-$1100?

500 rounds of the cheapest 10mm range ammo I can find cost ~$200.

Him needing quick money matters tho

03-20-2012 , 09:49 PM

#1245

RadioActive1

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Guess I'm an AK fish. I saw a few in the $2-3k range but way more in rhe $500-700 range. Guess thats a result of being one of the most produced guns ever.

What makes some worth triple the others?

03-20-2012 , 10:05 PM

#1246

General Tsao

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tbh there's too much vagueness in the question

wtf is an 'extended mag'? what kind of AK. if it's a wasr and 'extended mags' are 30 rounds (...idk why they would be but that's what i think he meant), $650 sounds good imo.

03-20-2012 , 10:26 PM

#1247

NeBlis

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Originally Posted by wiper

exactly who did the US rebuild and when is very important. Also what brand/style are the mags? Stamped or milled receiver etc etc etc. post pics and as much detail as possible.

The general's guess is about right without knowing anything else. Given that 500rnds of 7.62 is worth ~$150, most mags go for ~$30 plus the stock @ ~$30 and most average AKs go for $300-400.

03-20-2012 , 10:30 PM

#1248

NeBlis

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Originally Posted by RadioActive1

What makes some worth triple the others?

Lots of things. Because of our imperial federal government and the benevolent ATF and all of their brilliance all "AKs" are rebuilds or remanufactures of some kind. As you can guess some companies are better at this than others. It kinda comes down to fit and finish and reliability/longevity issues.

03-20-2012 , 10:32 PM

#1249

NeBlis

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Wiper,

if the guy is a friend and you want to give him a good price offer 600-650. He will likely take much less, more like 400-500.

03-21-2012 , 02:12 AM

#1250

wiper

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'extended mag' might have been me being too excited. ha

$450 was the answer.

my brother knows a guy who is apparently hard up on money and like i said, offered the above with 100 rounds yesterday, told him 'gimme a day or two' and then he texted back today '500 rounds now if you can do it soon'.

i got 9 fifties looking at me now, tomorrow when my bro gets off at 2:45p we're headed out to his buddy's so he can teach me how to take it down.

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