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Old 04-13-2009, 10:38 PM   #61
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Why would you want to get accurate and familiar with the recoil and feel of .22 when you're not going to be using that as your defensive weapon? If you're interested in match shooting and competition it makes sense, I'd say, but if you're interested in getting a gun to save your life, I don't like the idea of becoming familiar with a .22 just to have to adapt that to 9mm or .45
I believe the theory that it's better to learn to shoot with a .22 or something with no recoil, so that you form good habits of squeezing the trigger while holding your hands steady and aiming on target. Then you can carry those habits over to a bigger gun. Whereas if you learn to shoot with a .357 magnum or even a 9, you're probably going to be wincing/bracing against the recoil and you won't know it/won't be as easy to stop.
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Whereas if you learn to shoot with a .357 magnum or even a 9, you're probably going to be wincing/bracing against the recoil and you won't know it/won't be as easy to stop.
I was pretty aware of myself bracing for the recoil. This is a bad thing? Bracing that is, not being self-aware.
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:45 PM   #63
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I was pretty aware of myself bracing for the recoil. This is a bad thing? Bracing that is, not being self-aware.
Yeah, you're moving your hands split-seconds before you pull the trigger which will be bad for your aim.

Edit: with my revolvers at the range I like to pull the trigger on a spent round or two after firing them all. I'm pretty sure it's bad to tense up your hands after you aim, and before you shoot.
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:52 PM   #64
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lol, after like a week of dry firing my rifle, I went to the range for the first time and was totally ****ing surprised when my gun went "boom" and kicked into my shoulder. I was like "oh yeah, that's what they're supposed to do" :P
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:01 PM   #65
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if you have a revolver and you want to know if you flinch, fill the cylinder with one empty and the rest live shells and spin it so you don't know where the empty is...if you're an inexperienced shooter i'll almost guarantee that you flinch when that empty comes up which is a bad thing, it throws off you're aim and results in a lot of inconsistency.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:02 PM   #66
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Thank you I meant flinch, not wince, that bothered me a little.
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So what's the best way to correct that? The aforementioned 'learn on a .22'?

Last edited by Low Key; 04-13-2009 at 11:04 PM. Reason: Sorry, I'm a gun noob. Expect lots more questions from me as I get closer to buying something
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:09 PM   #68
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So what's the best way to correct that? The aforementioned 'learn on a .22'?
That, or the empty chamber (use a spent casing) technique CheckRaise describes, dry fire practice; just being aware of it should help some.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:22 PM   #69
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Trying not to be a google-tard here, but I could buy a .22 and practice with it, and since it's a low caliber, there will be less recoil. The downside being that dry fire practice may damage the firing pin if done without snap caps (because of the rimfire ammunition used).

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From my experience, you'll barely feel the .22's recoil at all.

.22s are still my favorite to target practice with too btw.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:39 PM   #71
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Just curious, what odds do you guys give yourselves on actually having to use these bad boys for defense?
My dad persuaded some thugs to rob someone else when he brandished in Chicago (carrying illegally), and a buddy of mine caught some punk burglars breaking into his parent's warehouse and held them with an AR-15 until the police came. I hopefully will never need to use them for self defense, I prefer quiet neighborhoods, but there have been armed robberies at some restaurants I go to.

Learning on a .22 is a good idea, but a .22 is not great for self defense. There are a ton of great, moderate priced self-defense handguns, Glock 19, XD 9mm Smith and Wesson M&P, etc. Try them and see how they fit your hands.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:47 PM   #72
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Trying not to be a google-tard here, but I could buy a .22 and practice with it, and since it's a low caliber, there will be less recoil. The downside being that dry fire practice may damage the firing pin if done without snap caps (because of the rimfire ammunition used).

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Yeah if you intend to dry fire it's good to use snap caps. Spent casings work as well in a revolver. Buying some snap caps to dry fire with would be cheaper than buying a .22 just for this purpose. And it'll be your same gun that you want to be used to. But learning to target shoot with a .22 might help you form better habits faster.
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Just curious, what odds do you guys give yourselves on actually having to use these bad boys for defense?
Do you mean odds of actually using them in self defense at some point? I'd say it's pretty low. People who live in crime infested areas or who regularly go to dangerous places it's higher of course.

If you mean odds of actually surviving an attack with the gun vs. without, it's much much higher.

I'm a scrawny guy who is very out of shape, even a dude of average physical stature could easily kick my ass in a physical fight, him being armed and me not my chances are 0. Sadly, much like a woman, the only chance I'd have in a fight for my life is a weapon, it's really like a freeroll.

What's the famous quote "God made man, but Sam Colt made them equal."
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that quote doesn't really work the way you wrote it, but i think its v v close
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:25 AM   #75
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Anyone have any advice on the best type of gun for home defense (handgun vs. shotgun)?

I heard a guy on the Lew Rockwell show who seemed to think a shotgun beats a pistol for home defense. He mentioned Mossberg as a good-quality, relatively inexpensive shotgun for home defense. Anyone have any thoughts on this or on Mossberg shotguns in particular? I found a youtube link and the guy used the "tactical cruiser" as his home defense weapon of choice:

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