*** Politics Gun Owners Thread***

[JayTeeMe]

Originally Posted by Taso

whats the "LR" designation after .38 mean?

Oh, my bad. It should say 22LR. The LR mean "long rifle" but is a common caliber for handguns as well. It's mostly for sport shooting not home defense.

[Metric]

Originally Posted by ikestoys

I'm jealous of you guys. My fiancee isn't crazy about having a gun in our condo, and Chicago's gun laws are ridiculous.

Women come pre-programmed like this -- my wife was the same way back when we first met -- but if you actually show them how to shoot, they come around quickly and tend to like the experience of learning something new. It's mainly one of those "fear of the unknown" things.

[General Tsao]

Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

I'm interested in getting my first handgun. The websites I found (googled first handgun or something) recommended starting with a .22 and getting out and firing a ton. Advantages: Cheap, accurate, low kick, flat trajectory, cheap rimfire bullets, and safer in that it'll put a smaller hole in someone if you accidentally shoot them.

I don't really like this very much to be honest. It is cheaper, that is definitely true. For the other points:

Why would you want to get accurate and familiar with the recoil and feel of .22 when you're not going to be using that as your defensive weapon? If you're interested in match shooting and competition it makes sense, I'd say, but if you're interested in getting a gun to save your life, I don't like the idea of becoming familiar with a .22 just to have to adapt that to 9mm or .45

As for it being safer...eh. If you accidentally shoot someone with a .22, at close range, you may as well have shot them with a military grade caliber like .223/5.56. From close range, that is, before the bullet is at the right speed to fragment, you're making basically the same size hole with the US army round as you are with the .22.


Anyways, the .22 recommendation is made a lot, though. I know one poster who was considering doing that but ended up getting a 9mm instead, maybe he'll stop by itt.

[SenorKeeed]

Taso -- I own the Taurus PT111 and like it. It's not the best gun but it's a really good value IMO.

[CheckRaise]

Originally Posted by Taso

I don't really like this very much to be honest. It is cheaper, that is definitely true. For the other points:

Why would you want to get accurate and familiar with the recoil and feel of .22 when you're not going to be using that as your defensive weapon? If you're interested in match shooting and competition it makes sense, I'd say, but if you're interested in getting a gun to save your life, I don't like the idea of becoming familiar with a .22 just to have to adapt that to 9mm or .45

As for it being safer...eh. If you accidentally shoot someone with a .22, at close range, you may as well have shot them with a military grade caliber like .223/5.56. From close range, that is, before the bullet is at the right speed to fragment, you're making basically the same size hole with the US army round as you are with the .22.


Anyways, the .22 recommendation is made a lot, though. I know one poster who was considering doing that but ended up getting a 9mm instead, maybe he'll stop by itt.

i agree with you if he is looking to use a handgun for self defense but if he just wants to mess around and plink targets .22s are very fun and obviously much cheaper

my first gun was a Marlin Model 60 in .22 and i still enjoy taking it out into a field and shooting random **** with it, fun little gun. my dad has a .22 Browning Buckmark with a cheap Sightmark red dot sight that is a blast to shoot

[tubasteve]

Just curious, what odds do you guys give yourselves on actually having to use these bad boys for defense?

[General Tsao]

define defense :P

Whether it be offense or defense, I figure there's a 70% chance I'll use my rifle or pistol when I get it, before I die.


Even if it was 1%, though, I'd still think it was worth the purchase. I mean, what are we talking here, $500, $800? Not much money in the grand scheme, and it could save your life one day. Not to mention that even if its not used, the mere presence of a gun can diffuse a situation, or perhaps stop a government from going too far.


By the way, for .22 plinking, if you're into rifles at all check out the Ruger 10/22 which Wesker showed above. Supposed to a pretty awesome .22, and it's relatively cheap iirc.

[JayTeeMe]

Originally Posted by CheckRaise

i agree with you if he is looking to use a handgun for self defense but if he just wants to mess around and plink targets .22s are very fun and obviously much cheaper

my first gun was a Marlin Model 60 in .22 and i still enjoy taking it out into a field and shooting random **** with it, fun little gun. my dad has a .22 Browning Buckmark with a cheap Sightmark red dot sight that is a blast to shoot

Yeah, I guess the idea is you get the .22 to learn how to squeeze the trigger properly, use sights, not pee your pants, etc. I guess it wouldn't be cheaper if you had to buy two guns tho. .22 would be worthless for defense? I guess I would think that any gun would be a deterrent and getting shot is getting shot. I don't really wanna kill anyone if possible.

[Low Key]

Originally Posted by NickMPK

Glad to see this thread....it will be useful for inventory purposes once we finally repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Oh hush you!

I'm likely moving from my moderately sized town to a bustling metropolis in the next few months. Been strongly considering purchasing a gun. (I'd be moving to a different state, so that complicates the matter more)

I've only shot a real gun once in my life. It was a revolver, cuz I'm old school like that, that used .38 special ammo.

Also used a 9mm, may have been a glock, which I found very uncomfortable. At least it had a safety, unlike the revolver.

Tips on finding a small gun that's comfortable and has a safety?

I would go to a gun show, but they're always on the weekends, which I work.

[General Tsao]

i feel like low key is tarping us

[Low Key]

Wha?

[NeBlis]

Originally Posted by Low Key

I've only shot a real gun once in my life. It was a revolver, cuz I'm old school like that, that used .38 special ammo.

many revolvers have a safety. they are more reliable and easy to use and care for than an autopistol. Revolvers are great first handguns (first and last really)

Also used a 9mm, may have been a glock, which I found very uncomfortable. At least it had a safety, unlike the revolver.

everything about glocks to me are uncomfortable especially the horrid beast of a trigger.



cumbersome and annoying then light pull at the end after you get past the safety. you have to relearn how to shoot in order to use one well from what I understand.

[ScottySo]

Originally Posted by Low Key

Also used a 9mm, may have been a glock, which I found very uncomfortable. At least it had a safety, unlike the revolver.

New glocks don't even have external safeties. It's possible you shot an older model but I don't *think* they had safeties either.

Tips on finding a small gun that's comfortable and has a safety?

I would go to a gun show, but they're always on the weekends, which I work.

go to a gun store and ask to hold whatever they have.

[Low Key]

Ok, maybe it wasn't a glock, cuz that looks way more complicated than anything I had to deal with.

Maybe I can just find a snub-nose revolver with a safety and call it good.

[NeBlis]

Originally Posted by ScottySo

go to a gun store and ask to hold whatever they have.

this