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12-02-2009 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
nice.
12-03-2009 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mjkidd
nice gun. I thought you were British?
kentuckian
12-03-2009 , 03:35 PM


The wifey's Ruger, inherited from her dad.
12-03-2009 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbobo
The wifey's Ruger, inherited from her dad.
Can't go wrong with a good .22 pistol.
12-03-2009 , 07:03 PM


Took me a while to figure out how this bitch fires. I had the barrel link rotating the wrong way.
12-03-2009 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Montius
Can't go wrong with a good .22 pistol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_G15kb9EX4
Ruger MKIII @ 200 yards...
12-04-2009 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrmusicrecorder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_G15kb9EX4
Ruger MKIII @ 200 yards...
Nice.

I have a Browning Buckmark Camper.



which I actually like more than the Rugers tbh. My dad has a Ruger and it is a great gun, but I prefer my Camper.
12-04-2009 , 11:34 AM
Anybody know a typical spring constant and free length for a slide spring from the 1911?
12-04-2009 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
Anybody know a typical spring constant and free length for a slide spring from the 1911?
I think Gov. Models are 16lb springs iirc.
12-04-2009 , 12:05 PM
Perhaps a dumb question, but what is that a measurement of?
12-04-2009 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
Perhaps a dumb question, but what is that a measurement of?
Its stored energy is 16 pounds fully compressed.

Is that what you are asking?
12-04-2009 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Montius
Its stored energy is 16 pounds fully compressed.
No it isn't. Incomensurate units.

In any event. I found a nice discussion here: http://yarchive.net/gun/pistol/1911_dynamics.html

Turns out the numbers I guessed weren't bad, although the free length was a bit longer than I guessed (6" vs 4").

Modeling of racking the slide is going like gangbustaz. Should have a video up in a couple of hours.
12-04-2009 , 02:34 PM
Looks like I will need to include the recoil spring guide. Without it there is nothing to push the barrel back up into the locking lugs when the slide releases. The barrel is staying in the dropped position right now.

Edit: Nevermind. The barrel link should be pushing the barrel back up, but it isn't.

Last edited by Borodog; 12-04-2009 at 02:59 PM.
12-04-2009 , 03:41 PM
cant wait to see your work boro ... very cool idea
12-04-2009 , 03:56 PM
Strange doings on the slide release. The slide is just ramming into the barrel and stopping without swiging it back up via the barrel link. Can't tell if it's getting trapped or what yet. Removed friction from the contact and doubled the spring constant on the recoil spring. We'll see what that does.
12-04-2009 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
No it isn't. Incomensurate units.
Well wait, recoil springs come in standard and variable rates. The standard recoil springs (what I assumed you were talking about) are rated at the amount of energy stored when the spring is fully compressed. That is what the 16 lbs rating is referring to....

Are we talking about the same thing here?
12-04-2009 , 05:19 PM
The pound is not a unit of energy. I assume you mean the force equired to fully compress the spring. Even that is not enough to calculate a spring constant without also knowing the length by which the spring has been compressed.
12-04-2009 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
The pound is not a unit of energy. I assume you mean the force equired to fully compress the spring. Even that is not enough to calculate a spring constant without also knowing the length by which the spring has been compressed.
Well what size of gun are you working with here?
12-04-2009 , 05:30 PM
Like I said; I already found reasonable numbers. ~5lb/in, 6" uncompressed length.

Although it occurs to me that the front of the spring is anchored in the wrong place . . .
12-04-2009 , 05:40 PM
Just checked fwiw: 1.625" is the space available for the recoil spring in a full sized 1911 (5" barrel).
12-04-2009 , 05:58 PM
That isn't right. It's almost 4".

Edit to add:

http://www.eleven-bravo.co.uk/the-wa...M1911A1-02.jpg
12-04-2009 , 06:03 PM
Just saw this thread now lol. Not gonna waid through the hundreds of posts so gonna just jump into it right now.

I'm a Canadian and just went and got my firearms safety course done last weekend with a friend. I've now sent off my forms to the government and just gotta wait for it to be processed and then they'll send me back my license. Then I can actually buy stuff

In the meanwhile, guessing will take at least 2 months, have to start researching what guns to buy. So far the general theme I've come across is that it is more about selecting ammo (cheap and accessible) THEN selecting the guns.

I can also tell I'm going to become a gun nut almost for sure. I'm wanting to start off with some sort of rifle and a hand gun to take to the range and practice lots. For the rifle I've been getting recommended the Russian SKS a lot because it apparently can take military surplus ammo which makes it cheaper. Thoughts? For a hand gun I'm still not entirely what I want to get...in Canada the barrel has to be at least 4.1" so I'm looking for a normal sized gun. The good old 0.357 Magnum sounds sweet, but so does the Glock 23. Desert Eagle would also be neat as I used to play a lot of Counter Strike.

Thoughts? Advice? Can't wait to become a gun owner For what it's worth, I'm mega libertarian and hope I'd never have to use them outside of the range.
12-04-2009 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
That isn't right. It's almost 4".

Edit to add:

http://www.eleven-bravo.co.uk/the-wa...M1911A1-02.jpg
This is what I found:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=1...ession_Weights
12-04-2009 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DPatty
Just saw this thread now lol. Not gonna waid through the hundreds of posts so gonna just jump into it right now.

I'm a Canadian and just went and got my firearms safety course done last weekend with a friend. I've now sent off my forms to the government and just gotta wait for it to be processed and then they'll send me back my license. Then I can actually buy stuff

In the meanwhile, guessing will take at least 2 months, have to start researching what guns to buy. So far the general theme I've come across is that it is more about selecting ammo (cheap and accessible) THEN selecting the guns.

I can also tell I'm going to become a gun nut almost for sure. I'm wanting to start off with some sort of rifle and a hand gun to take to the range and practice lots. For the rifle I've been getting recommended the Russian SKS a lot because it apparently can take military surplus ammo which makes it cheaper. Thoughts? For a hand gun I'm still not entirely what I want to get...in Canada the barrel has to be at least 4.1" so I'm looking for a normal sized gun. The good old 0.357 Magnum sounds sweet, but so does the Glock 23. Desert Eagle would also be neat as I used to play a lot of Counter Strike.

Thoughts? Advice? Can't wait to become a gun owner For what it's worth, I'm mega libertarian and hope I'd never have to use them outside of the range.
Rifle: Depends on what you are gonna be using it for. An SKS can be a decent gun, but if I were you and wanted that style of a semi-auto gas-piston operated gun, I'd just go with an AK (I've had lots of experiences with SKS' jamming. Plus I hate their magazines).

ARs are a great gun, but they are quite a bit more expensive than most AKs.

Personally, I think it is hard to beat a good bolt-action rifle in a .270 on up. But, like I said it all depends on what you want out of it.

Pistols:

.357 mag is a great round, but ammo is pretty expensive (though with most .357 mag wheel guns you can shoot the less expensive .38 special out of them, so that is a plus). I have a Ruger GP100 and it is fun as hell to shoot.

9mm is a decent, readily available, relatively inexpensive round and offers a plethora of options when it comes to picking out a model. Definitely a good starter.

.45 ACP. Probably my fav all around pistol round, but more expensive than a 9mm.

.40 S&W is a really great round too (imo it is right up there with the .45 ACP and offers a great compromise between the 9mm and the .45). Ammo price is comparable to .45 last I checked.

Tbh, you probably don't want a Desert Eagle (at least not in the .50 AE). They are expensive (both the gun and the ammo), they are heavy, and they aren't really all that practical unless you are simply trying to impress your friends or something. I have nothing against them, but it probably isn't the best gun to start out with tbh.

      
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