- www.blackguns.com

Not referenced, however.

same is true for a suppressor iirc, i have no idea how hard it is to get approval for these but i know tons of people have them so it can't be that difficult

EDIT: just saw boro's post, sounds similar to CCW (at least here in MN) where you need to send an application to the sheriff and he must approve it

wtf don't they put references. they think we're just going to go "ohhh, okay, great!" if they're wrong its prob a huge legal problem, lol.

Well seeing as anyone that improperly sells you a machine gun is probably going to prison for a few decades, and they sell machine guns, I'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about.

Some do, most the ones I have seen are between $3k and $10k.... That on top of the ridiculous amount of money you would spend on ammo it would be pretty expensive.

Heres an MP40 with a starting bid of $8,500
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=129868951
Still kind of spendy.

MP44 starting bid $17k, prob has a lot to do with the fact thats its an original
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=129408863

Machine guns are so expensive because the supply has been limited. When Reagan was president, the Firearm Owners Protection Act was passed which got some good reforms on gun laws. No more logging of ammunition sales among other things. One bad part of this law was the Hughes amendment. Any machine gun made after May 19, 1986 could not be sold to civilians. All the legal machine guns out there are registered before that date.

Does anyone have any idea what's going to happen October 1, 2009 when the Montana Firearms Freedom Act goes into effect? Have any Federal or State officials gone on record, forewarning or foreshadowing what's going to happen? What are the chances D.C. backs off and lets Montana do their pesky 10th amendment agenda?

given Obama and Holder's gun comments, I'd have to say 0.

So the bill is likely going to be just another trumped document?

I imagine some confrontation between the state and the federal government will happen. I believe someone was telling me about Montanan officials saying if the FDA tried to enforce federal regulations, state officers would arrest them.

Should be interesting, whatever happens. I fully expect to hear Montana threatening to secede like they did during the Heller case.

FDA? Or ATF?

ATF tyvm.

I know they'd like D.C. to smell secession in their threats, I just wonder how far Montana is willing to go.

BRING IT ON!

hahaha montana is awesome

Well, this thread wasn't intended to be about gun control, but I guess it's sort of turned into that, so:

Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Holds that the Second Amendment Applies to the States

From another forum I frequent, a post from one of the moderators detailing the steps to get a machine gun etc in PA:

http://forum.pafoa.org/nfa-class-3-t...a-jaybell.html

This forum is pretty credible, a few lawyers around that jump on mistakes.

Mentioned picking up a gun when I move to my friends the other night. One agreed that an appartment complex whose security method is 'provide your own security' leaves much to be desired, so it may be a good idea.

Another didn't. I talked to him about getting a gun for his place, but he didn't because he thought 'it makes no sense for someone to rob' him, also, that it isn't likely.

I tried explaining it in terms of thinking like an insurance policy, but I'm not used to arguing this side, so I probably sucked. =(

It sounds like he's basically unfamliar/afraid of guns. I wouldn't recommend people like that keep one for self defense. The proper order of operations is to first learn, then evaluate from a more educated point of view, then buy if they decide they are up for the responsibility. Some are and will, and some just aren't and never will be. But at least they made an informed decision.

How do I start? Literally, what's my first step on the gun ownership path?

If you don't know anyone personally who can show you how to shoot, go to a range where you can ask for someone to show you basic safety and handling, and where you can rent a pistol and shoot in a controlled environment. Many ranges will also offer various classes, depending on what you want to learn. Generally, people are happy to help complete beginners and will offer all kinds of advice.

Of course it isn't remotely rocket science. But it does require coming to terms with a bit of awareness and responsibility for safety, and there are some well-known techniques that will accelerate your ability as you practice (which is incidentally quite a fun process).

This assumes you're in the US -- I don't know how it works in other countries.

So I'm trying to sell this now, looking to replace it with something in .308.

Any recommendations? I'm thinking about this:


The M1A Socom 16

And also possibly an XCR, though they haven't come out with their .308 set up yet.

your 223 is hard to beat for the ability to carry a large amount of rounds on your person. 500 rounds of 308 gets heavy fast.

223 fail

That was 7.62, not .223 (5.56)

edit: 7.62 is pretty close to .308 iirc...