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05-21-2009 , 04:22 PM

#226

CheckRaise

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Originally Posted by Wesker1982

Only thing stopping me from ordering my 357 is ammo shortage. I can't make sense of buying a new gun when ammo for it is impossible to find. Might have to just buy a couple thousand rounds of 7.62x39mm.

start handloading ldo

05-21-2009 , 04:33 PM

#227

samsonh

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Just shot an MP5 this weekend. It was so smooth and powerful feeling.

05-21-2009 , 04:36 PM

#228

General Tsao

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Originally Posted by samsonh

It was so smooth and powerful feeling.

thats what she said!!!!!!!!!!

05-21-2009 , 04:38 PM

#229

bonsaltron

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Originally Posted by Taso

thats what she wanted!!!!!!!!!!

fixed

05-21-2009 , 04:51 PM

#230

Wesker1982

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CheckRaise

start handloading ldo

I heard hand loading supplies is hard to find and uber expensive now too, would it still be profitable? I'd have to buy necessary equipment too.

05-21-2009 , 06:15 PM

#231

NeBlis

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Originally Posted by samsonh

Just shot an MP5 this weekend. It was so smooth and powerful feeling.

nice!

how much did you spend in ammo?

05-23-2009 , 05:17 AM

#232

Wesker1982

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sick imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6eaAoZXPJI&eurl

05-24-2009 , 05:49 AM

#233

Wesker1982

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W T F

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David Olofson is a U.S. Army veteran who was tried and convicted by the U.S. Federal government on the charge of "transferring an unregistered machine gun" after he lent his 20-year old AR-15 rifle to a friend, Robert Kiernicki, and it malfunctioned on a shooting range

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bes....govt.guns.cnn

05-24-2009 , 04:35 PM

#234

DblBarrelJ

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Originally Posted by Wesker1982

W T F

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bes....govt.guns.cnn

The ATF is kind of like the FCC, useless, annoying, and oppressive.

They're not out stopping domestic violence, they're not out stopping rapists or murders, or even drunk drivers. They are a politically driven organization who's sole mission is to make it more difficult for law abiding Americans to obtain firearms.

ETA: And they're idiots.

Example:

05-24-2009 , 05:41 PM

#235

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What I find funny about ATF is everything in their name is legal.

Alcohol - Legal
Tobacco - Legal
Firearms - Legal

05-24-2009 , 09:39 PM

#236

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W T F

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bes....govt.guns.cnn

god wtf is this ****, **** those ******s at the ATF they're a joke of an organization. i don't understand how the government find out about this

i've had this same thing happen to me while firing a .22 pistol, one pull of the trigger and 3 rounds came out in succession...guess that makes me a felon

05-24-2009 , 09:54 PM

#237

tubasteve

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crazy libertarian gun nuts

05-24-2009 , 10:39 PM

#238

NeBlis

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Originally Posted by tubasteve

crazy libertarian gun nuts

<-- guilty

05-24-2009 , 10:48 PM

#239

Wesker1982

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Originally Posted by CheckRaise

i've had this same thing happen to me while firing a .22 pistol, one pull of the trigger and 3 rounds came out in succession...guess that makes me a felon

better hope they aren't watching this thread

05-24-2009 , 10:51 PM

#240

NeBlis

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i've had this same thing happen to me while firing a .22 pistol, one pull of the trigger and 3 rounds came out in succession...guess that makes me a felon

yeah once in a while my 1911 will do that with one of my clips and range ammo. its never done it any other time.

05-24-2009 , 11:15 PM

#241

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Originally Posted by NeBlis

yeah once in a while my 1911 will do that with one of my clips and range ammo. its never done it any other time.

The strange thing is that I've read about 8 articles on this and still have yet to find one that discusses exactly how he ended up getting arrested. I'm wondering how the ATF discovered this, and even at the ATF level didn't go "You're a moron, get off my phone".

05-24-2009 , 11:39 PM

#242

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My mini 14 can be modded (by putting a staple into the trigger unit) to fire twice (once when you pull the trigger, and once when you let go). It's a sweet idea, though I've yet to see someone skilled enough at it to not have constant jamming problems.

05-25-2009 , 12:37 AM

#243

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Yeah, you can't buy ATF hats anywhere, aside from being employed there..

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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle

What I find funny about ATF is everything in their name is legal.

Alcohol - Legal
Tobacco - Legal
Firearms - Legal

Yeah, other governmental agencies, like the FCC, only monitor things that are illegal, like phones, television, communications..

05-25-2009 , 02:28 AM

#244

CheckRaise

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ya that is definitely the weirdest part of this whole deal (i guess i almost expect the government to pull **** like this)...i can't come up with any explanation, if someone at the range noticed it how would they know he wasn't rapid firing? i can't see them turning him in anyway especially since he had been firing the gun for so long before the malfunction occurred.

05-25-2009 , 02:38 AM

#245

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Originally Posted by CheckRaise

That's what I don't understand. Even though I'm a cop, I'm not certified for Class 3 weapons, but I have a few friends on SWAT who are, and we have taken his full auto weaponry to a public range out of uniform (totally, the bag was just black, it didn't say "POLICE" or "SWAT" or anything) and we stand there firing 30 and 40 round mags on full auto and other than a few people coming down to check it out, we've never had the cops called on us. This makes no sense. Something is missing here.

ETA: Before someone asks, we were using ammo we bought, not his govt issued ammo for this.

05-25-2009 , 10:37 AM

#246

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Originally Posted by Low Key

Yeah, you can't buy ATF hats anywhere, aside from being employed there..

Yeah, other governmental agencies, like the FCC, only monitor things that are illegal, like phones, television, communications..

Yeah, how many guns does the FCC have?

05-25-2009 , 12:01 PM

#247

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someone PM'd me asking about how to get an automatic weapon. I did some googling, and it is apparently no where near as difficult as I thought it was? I thought you needed a class III permit, but apparently thats only if you want to sell it - the only extraneous requirement is to pay a $200 tax - well, that, and that the weapons themselves cost around $10k lolz.

Can anyone confirm/deny my findings? As my understanding stands, getting a machine gun/submachine gun would not be such a bad idea.

05-25-2009 , 12:43 PM

#248

NeBlis

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ETA: Before someone asks, we were using ammo we bought, not his govt issued ammo for this.

1. were you at Bullseye or Autreys? those are class 3.

2. why didnt you PM?

05-25-2009 , 02:36 PM

#249

ScottySo

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Originally Posted by Taso

Can anyone confirm/deny my findings? As my understanding stands, getting a machine gun/submachine gun would not be such a bad idea.

I haven't even looked into it since I'm not in CA, but my understanding was that some states make it very easy to get full-autos. I didn't think they would really cost 10k though.

05-25-2009 , 02:45 PM

#250

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Originally Posted by Taso

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, there is additional paperwork that must be signed when you take possession of the firearm, one of which is a form waiving your 4th amendment rights irt the ATF coming into your home whenever they want to see if you still have possession of the weapon and that it has not been modified in any way from its original condition.

Too high of a price for me personally.

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