For the price of a Stag w/plus package, a shooter can buy a PSA with the same specs PLUS(see what I did there?) a cold hammer forged barrel and Geissele trigger.

Gawd I've become such an insufferable PSA fanboy.

Black Friday AR deal, buy that stuff from PSA for $447 shipped. Track down a good bolt carrier group, like a BCM, for about $175 shipped, add a Troy rear folding back up iron sight(the best imo) for about $100. That's less than $725 for a good M4 style AR15 with CMV barrel. Hard to beat for value.

Bad things about this deal, there will be a wait to get your upper from PSA, probably 4-6 weeks. Like the old saying goes, high quality, low price, speedy shipping: choose two.

Also, bolt carrier groups are out of stock almost everywhere right now so it may be a few weeks before some good ones(like BCM) are available.

You can get the Troy folding BUIS on straight from troyind.com for $95.20 w/free shipping using coupon code blackfriday. That's the cheapest I've seen anywhere for that particular piece of equipment.

Holy crap Geissele SSA for $150.

Throw that in your order and for $875 you have a rifle with waaay better components than Stag's and Bushmaster's least expensive offerings. Waaaay better.

20 bucks off really constitute a "holy crap"?

Oh great, girl hands here is making fun of me.

Also,

I don't have to know gun terminology to know simple math!

Qft. I 100% stand behind this post.

You're right Low Key, I see where you're coming from. Taken alone, a $20 savings on one item doesn't seem like much. But as has been said before, AR's are like Legos, easily customized and upgraded.

I've purchased 20+ different items in building my rifle, and seemingly insignificant savings like $20 on a trigger do add up over the course of so many transactions. It was part of the fun for me, figuring out just how cheaply I could build exactly what I want.

I don't know exactly how much I saved searching for the best deals for my build but it has to be $100's compared to what I would have spent dealing with a brick and mortar store.

This store saved a grip of cash for me and I received my order in less than 24 hours from making it.

why can i buy an AR mag for under $10 here but every handgun mag i've ever bought has been $30+? seems really backwards to me

Not sure exactly. There are many manufacturers making AR mags though, so lots of competition there. When it comes to trusted handgun mags, I think the consumer generally puts trust in the original handgun manufacturer but I don't think there's as much trust in other secondary manufacturers. There may be patent law involved in all of this too. I'm not absolutely positive about this stuff though, just brainstorming really.

To be fair, it is more than a 10% discount, which is nothing to scoff at.

I'm just sour cuz I'm a poor student whose first gun will probably cost as much as your trigger.

And being silly. I do that a lot. Mostly to entertain myself.

Come to think of it, if a pharmaceutical company will give me $12,000 worth of drugs free every year, maybe a gun company would give me $300 worth of life saving firearms one time.

I should write some letters.

It's plastic. Or insert "not metal" material.


Just like with AKs.. you can get crappy Tapco plastic magazines for under $10. You're looking at $20-$30 if you want metal milsurp quality.

Glock mags are polymer and I haven't seen any cheaper than $20 new.

Active duty soldiers tend to prefer the polymer Pmags to the G.I. aluminum magazines. Banning Pmags turned out to be very unpopular and was eventually reversed within two weeks.

Don't know if this was discussed earlier itt, but anyone ever shoot the FN P90 or the FN Five-seven? If yes, thoughts?
I liked the five-seven (don't know gun culture, but are lower caliber handguns thought of as less manly?) though I assume ammo must cost a ton

i put a box through a five-seven last spring and loved it, handled well and it was a very easy gun to control and shoot. you are correct the ammo is very expensive, if it wasn't i would own one.

VERY expensive ammo. Generally shoots like most poly guns. Anything it is good at a "normal" handgun does just as well or a rifle does better. Unless you are maning checkpoints with only a pistol it is just a novelty.

Except for penetrating kevlar vests, one of the main design intents of the cartridge. Sometimes bad guys wear body armor too. imo it's the most bad ass pistol cartridge out there. Beyond my means unfortunately. 5.7 cost four to five times the price of decent target shooting grade(like white box Winchester) 9mm Luger. About $1.15-$1.30 per round versus $.25-$.30 per round.

http://ammoseek.com/

Crazy people.

Go plant a flower or something rjoe.

Pretty clearly WilliamRayCyrusIII is an rjoe gimmick.

I only have one gimmick.

depends on the powder charge. Generally .357 will have more penetration. The bullet in 9 or .357 is the same bullet.

+P+ 9mm will have more penetration than standard .357 etc etc. Hollow points expand and are dependent on design and other factors like clothing or intermediate barriers as to how well they do their job.

As a generalization .357Sig will penetrate glass, vests, or other barriers better than 9mm.

Pure "stopping power" would be 10mm, 44mag, 45, .40S&W probably in that order and again generalizing



http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm

im buying the FAL today!!

Discussing how well various types of guns/ammo penetrate vests seems really creepy.