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one of my best friends has a kid named Ash...

Guns of Brixton IMO

Is it just me or does the scope in the OP look like it's on backwards?

it looks like it is, but its not.

Gun can be in glovebox or clearly visible in your car in GA with no permit.

http://www.opencarry.org/travel.html

bump for went to the gun shop today

Asked a million questions to the guy working. He confirmed most, if not all, of the things said itt re caliber, first gun type, etc.

Told me there really weren't any revolvers with manual safeties, most use a 12 lbs of force for the first shot mechanism to help stop kids using them. The m & p subcompact I used on the range had 9mm ammo and an auto safety in the trigger as well, I'm sure those familiar with guns here know what I'm talking about. (have to pull the full trigger back to make it go off, not just the top part)

I did a lot better this time compared to last time. I was nowhere near as nervous, I wasn't crazy shakey, I didn't get light-headed and feel like passing out at all. I actually figured out how to load the ammo in that stupid cartridge (using your trigger finger to push down the spring loaded bit is not the best idea imo).

All in all I tried to shoot accurately. Started with the target at 7 yards (forgot my glasses, D'OH!) and moved it 10-15 after the first clip. Ended up with ~80% of the holes in the 8 or better, with 12% completely in the red. Any time I felt myself starting to jerk the trigger I stopped myself, took a breath, steadied my hand, then slowly squeezed it.

At one point, a fellow next to me was using a rifle that had 22 lr ammo. I watched him fire a few rounds and noticed his gun didn't move at all when shooting. lol peashooteraments

Thanks for the trip report! I'm out of the country right now, but I've heard there are ammo and gun shortages everywhere, and that prices are through the roof. Did you experience any of that? How much did you pay for a box of ammo? (what caliber did you shoot, btw? 9mm?)

It was 9mm ammo, yeah.

There are supposed to be ammo shortages, and from what I've read in local papers, most gun shops keep almost all the ammo they get for range use.

Haven't heard about a shortage of guns, though lots of gun owners are buying more, thinking Obama is going to ban all guns on the planet. They consider it an investment.

For 50 rounds of 9mm ammo it was $12-16. This actually seems a lot cheaper than the first time I went, so I don't know what the deal with that was.

The guy got a call while I was talking to him, I overheard him say something to the effect of 'yeah, we're all out' or 'we're not selling any right now'. I asked if he got a lot of calls like that, assuming it was ammo related, he just laughed and said yeah.

Oh, just had a thought/question:

If I get a gun with a clip, I can just leave the loaded clip out of it, right? That's not bad for it, is it?

I really wanted a gun with a safety, but if I get one that doesn't have one, this seems like it would work. It's so common-sense I don't know how I've overlooked it. But that wouldn't dry out any lubricants or oil or anything, would it?

Regarding the price of 9mm ammo:

It depends on what you buy, but you're paying considerably more than you would if you bought not at the range - ranges charge more for ammo, and a lot of ranges only let you shoot their ammo. You paid around .30/round, you should be paying around .20/round. But again, it depends on what you're getting - the cheapest rounds, Winchester White Box iirc go for about .20/round.

Regarding safety:

What are you concerned about here? Do you have children? Leaving the magazine (not clip ftr) loaded and lying about will not ensure that children/someone else doesn't blow their head off. Having a safety on the gun won't do that either. The only way to ensure that is to have a good safe with a combination that only you know, or a fingerprint pad, etc.

However, no, leaving the magazine out will not cause any harm to the gun.

Because I'm a new gun owner, I keep my rifle with the action back, leaning against the wall next to my bed. I keep the loaded magazine on my nightstand, so if I have to, I can insert it into the rifle, release the slide, and be ready to go. If I wasn't such a *** I'd keep the magazine in the rifle, keep the safety on, and be ready to go, but I'm worried about knocking it over in my sleep and it slam firing. Probably paranoia, but that's where I'm at for now.

I think if you describe your situation you might be able to get some recommendations wrt safety stuff, and storing.

ya leaving a loaded mag out of the weapon for long periods is fine as long as your mags aren't total pieces of ****. a lot of people like to load them up 1 round below capacity if they're gonna be sitting for a long time.

idk why you wouldn't just leave the mag in the gun, just because it doesn't have an external safety doesn't mean its all of the sudden way more dangerous than one that does have an external safety but w/e, i guess you should just do whatever makes you comfortable.

The problem with this approach is that it's now much more difficult to get the gun into action if you really need it -- particularly if you've just awakened to the sound of something really terrible happening, and you need the thing right now.

Remember, you can always keep the magazine loaded and in the gun with the chamber empty, and this is already far less "ready to fire" than simply having a safety on. It will still take an extra second or so to get the gun ready in an emergency (by racking the slide to chamber a round), but at least you won't be fumbling around looking for multiple pieces of the gun, and trying to put them together in the right way.

That said, there are some extremely nice semi-autos that come with a manual safety (as opposed to the "automatic" safety mechanisms that are by now standard on every modern auto pistol), if it's an absolute must.

Remember always, of course, that by far the most important safety lies in the habits you develop.

Gak I hate safeties. I will never own a handgun with a safety imo.

yeah Low Key can you explain your worry about accidental firing better? I get what your saying but im not sure if you arent over thinking it.

Btw, I'm glad you ran into a helpful guy -- most are like this, but just as a quick heads up, you should be aware that eventually you'll run into the stereotypical blowhard "nam vet" who will try very hard to convince you that his personal (and usually nutty) opinions on self defense/handguns are the one and only truth. For some reason, this type of person loves to work behind the counter at gun shops.

I live in MA and had to take a gun safety course. I got my Class A license to carry concealed without any problems, although it does take about a month.

I bought my 9MM Sig P229 from a gun shop in MA, as I know there are some rules about magazine sizes in this state (10 max) and didn't want to get pinched for having something illegal.

This gun is awesome. I've probably only fired 300-400 rounds, but I have not had a single misfire. With this gun, you can buy a conversion kit so that it will fire .22LR ammo. Costs about $300, but this will save you a lot on ammo and will be less overwhelming if you're new to shooting.

I'm thinking about getting something smaller to keep locked up in my desk at work (I own a small business with lots of walk-in customers,) so let me know if anyone has any opinions on the Walther PPK, which I'm considering.

When you concealed carry a gun where do you put it?

I have two Astra A-100s (well, one is actually a Star; manufactured after the company changed names), which are Spanish made knock-offs of the Sig Sauer P226, and they are AWESOME. I will never by a handgun that does not have Sig style controls ever, never, ever again.



9mm, 17+1 rounds. Has since been reblued. Yes, that's right, I said seventeen rounds in the magazine. Mmmmm. Lead, delicious lead.

PPK ftw imo



im prob gonna get my gf a ppk

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

Ya that's pretty sweet. The new XDm has 19+1 I think. But ya, I want that, but I want sub compact so its not an option.

I need to find one for my wife.

Any suggestions for a compact pistol for a woman? She has a hard time chambering a round with my beretta 9mm, and I'm thinking revolver for her. I dunno, though.

If even the .380 is too much for her you could get one chambered in .32 acp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.32_ACP

Borrowed this from my dad, Colt M1903. First handgun I ever fired, probably when I was about 4.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Mo...ket_Hammerless

This generally says alot about the gun shop itself. I may occasionally check these places out to see if they have good deals, but without question, if the shop has a range attached, I will not use it.

Places that have sales staff such as this invariably have at least one of these actions, if not more, going on out on the range:

[ ] a guy holding his gun sideways, "gangsta" style

[ ] a guy rapid firing way beyond his own abilities, creating visible sparks as his rounds hit the walls of the range

[ ] a girl pointing the barrel of her gun at herself or you as she reloads her revolver.

[ ] some idiot practicing his "cowboy" draw with his loaded Glock, then looking down the barrel after he accidentally discharges a round into the ceiling.

(note: these are not hypothetical examples. These are all things I've seen on ranges. The best safety advice I always give new gun owners is this; Always follow the ten commandments of firearm safety, and only utilize ranges that have experienced, qualified, vigilant range masters working ON THE RANGE, not in the gun shop. The greatest RM in the world is utterly useless if he's in the gun shop, trying to rack up a sale.)