Lolllllll

It’s just what the Communists of the ‘50s used to call “White Chauvinism.” If history is destined to repeat, they’ll eventually turn on themselves:

The great irony of the McCarthy period is that we did almost as much damage to ourselves, in the name of purifying our ranks, as Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover and all the other witch-hunters combined were able to do. One of the most catastrophically stupid things we ever did was to choose this moment to launch an internal campaign against white chauvinism….
... with the white chauvinism campaign of 1949-1953, what had been a legitimate concern turned into an obsession, a ritual act of self-purification that did nothing to strengthen the Party in its fight against racism and was manipulated by some Communist leaders for ends which had nothing to do with the ostensible purpose of the whole campaign. Once an accusation of white chauvinism was thrown against a white Communist, there was no defense. Debate was over. By the very act of denying the validity of the charge, you only proved your own guilt.

California Red: A Life in the American Communist Party by Dorothy Healey

All this stuff going on now is right out of the Marxist playbook. fwiw, “revcom.us” is the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA

Lol duffeeeeeeee!

duffee,

The people agreeing with ChrisV (rather, the people ChrisV is agreeing with) were the Black Panthers and the 1st-gen black power movement, so...

I dunno, I kinda feel if it's picture time:




But also, this post from me earlier:

Bringing up the finer points of "too fixated on race/not fixated on race enough" of the far-left is not some Cat Pushing a Watermelon game-changer to just make any point/win any argument about protesting police brutality or whatever else.

Not to speak for Wil but where do you come up with that interpretation for "call me a racist in front of my friends, and see what their reaction will be"? Honestly in that case his white/Asian friends might want to beat the crap out of you also if you insulted him.

I know on 2p2 calling someone a racist is just a form of greeting, but in the real world it's a pretty vile insult and you might get your ass kicked for it.

I wonder where Internet tough guy acts fall on the ratchet scale according to Wil. Below c-walking?

Ok, I won't be disingenuous and say that wasn't the thing I was implying, despite me asking about a discussion, so I'll just ask straight up:

Does that mean we'll have a rigorous philosophical discussion, start slap boxing in the street, or something in between these two?

However, if we're hyperanalyzing the post, I'd say it's not just the "call me a racist in front of my friends, and see what their reaction will be" part of it, it's the "next time youre in philly" addition that made me lean that way. I mean, I'm the only person in the world that doesn't have a smartphone with video-taking ability, so fulfilling the requirement of showing his friends' reaction would be easy to document, and might be pretty 4 THE LOZL as well. He could also go old-school and type up the transcript with a typewriter and snail mail it to my P.O. box. The inclusion of my geographical proximity changes the notions, at least IMO, because disregarding the above specifics still allows that "look me up next time you're in MY CITY punk" has traditional generic implications.

Also, I kinda made it a point not to include the actual term "racist" in the post he responded to because my point was it's way more complex on a behavioral level.



You gotta understand I just read about five epic threads in this forum straight through, one of which I consider GOAT status, so everything is super fresh in my mind. I mean, I'm pretty sure I can etymologically prove that his full story doesn't check out (story not checking out in the context of how his life experiences apply to these threads) simply based on his known age and the slang he's used to describe elements of poor and so-called black culture, but that's all just a flight of fancy at this point. Plus the details shift wildly to support whatever the current topic is, sometimes that isn't noticed except by weirdos like me that sit and read multiple long threads in one sitting.

(hint: the derivation of his use of "ghetto" to describe things he didn't just witness but was immersed in was the first red flag... there's a phenomenon with descriptive language of how it sorta transcends and sticks based on the attachment to the thing being described, the way a person will call an old-school rap song "dope" or an old-school skateboarding trick as "gnarly" but wouldn't use the same descriptors with modern examples... loldigression )

lol you think I'd beat someone up over an argument over the internet? wtf is wrong with you. I was implying that there'd be plenty of my black friends who would defend my position (of being a racist).

I'll even pay the bar tab.

Aaaaand walk it back now... Lol

Wil, when you tell someone "try saying that to my face and we'll see what happens" you know that has never once in history meant "We will have a civil discourse about the reasons why you are wrong," right?

It's just an insult to more intelligent people than you to suggest such.

Yeah I don't know if that was some lvl70 advanced moonwalkbacking or what... I'm gonna sleep on it.

Notice how there were shots fired even during the fallback, with the use of "beat someone up" as opposed to "fight someone," plus the "wtf is wrong with you."

I'd even say not ending "wtf is wrong with you" with a question mark, when wil doesn't normally run wild with a lack of proper punctuation, is significant but I'd have to be playing fast and loose to go hard with that one.

I mean, this isn't even really a tangent, as the general concept of linguistic betrayal pops up in all these threads. People don't even always intend to use weighted terms and code-words but their instinctual choices always betray them.

That's not what I meant. As people have said, there are real world consequences of people being racist. There are also real world consequences of calling people racist. That conversation wouldn't go so well in person.

This, of course, is a social situation so I'm pretty sure you guys wouldn't do too well in it.

I didn't see this. If you're actually in Philly, let me know. We can go out for drinks and hit some of the local casinos if you'd like.

If you're a total nerd I'll just cut the outing short.

You must have such a bad view of me it clouds your reasoning. If you really think I'm threatening someone from 2+2 with physical violence I just don't know what else to say.

You should get out of the house more.

We can be near certain that the usual few here who call people racist etc and claim it's normal usage don't normally use it that way. They know full well it's nothing like normal usage, a few even try to justify it with some nonsense about forums being different.

So, you are offended at that interpretation of the post, but you think it's a completely valid interpretation?

Hey guys, I'm not saying I'd attack you if you called me racist in real life. I'm just saying there's consequences to using such insults in real life. Like me picking up your bar tab! Yeah...that's what I meant...

/wil

No I interpreted it the same way. I was referring to this response:

Nowhere in Wil's post did I get anything other than "try calling me a racist to my face in front of my friends". Definitely seemed like a veiled threat but where does "savage beasts" and "ghetto ratchet ones" come from? White guys don't come to their friend's defense when he's insulted? White guys don't fight?

Apparently wil missed the great racist culling of 2015 yesterday

Why not just print out this thread and have them read it?

Oh, so you think if something like that actually occurred, my black friends would read it, shake their heads and cease our relationship afterwards?

And you guys really think I go overboard when I say you people don't live in the real world?

lol wil

I'm being serious. You think if I printed out and read something that one of my good friends wrote that may be borderline interpreted as racist against Asians that I would all of a sudden stop being friends with that person?

Actions speak louder than words. I've had plenty of my friends say derogatory terms against Asians in front of me. I don't take offense to it. Anyone who is a minority has experienced this.

One of my black friends described his own eyes as being "chinky". I looked at him funny and said he probably should say that in front of Asians. He was totally confused and I explained why some people might take offense, but I could tell by the way he said it that he meant no offense and he was definitely not racist against Asians because of his actual behavior.

Christ you people are so overly sensitive about race it's downright weird.

I don't really care, tbh.