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Old 05-21-2009, 09:45 PM   #301
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Re: Why do people put up with police

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i find it crazy how cops doing there job that they are trianed to do can be considered good or bad cop

if i speed and a cop gives me a ticket that doesnt make him a "bad" cop, i broke the known law and i am punished whether i agree with the law or not i knew the consequences

if i speed and a cop lets me go it doesnt make him a 'good" cop, he just let me off this time and i got lucky

they are suppose to be "good" cops, that is the standard, it should be normal to see them preform cpr to save lives and things, that is part of their job. he was trained for those situations, thats not "good" but thats the standard.

the reason imo we have so many "bad" cops and cops who think they are better than me is because the people let them get this way. the people in this nation shoulda have stepped up a long time ago to fix this. a government like ours there is always a need for its citizens to keep it in check, the citizens didn't do this and these corrupt cops is a result

you miss the point entirely.

"good" cops are those that use thier common sense and experience to uphold public security by enforcing only the laws that need to be enforced. "good" cops avoid enforcing laws that have little effect in upholding public security.

"bad" cops misuse their authority to needlessly enforce laws that effectively weaken public security.

example: i will use the famous adam carolla streetsweeper example:

carolla is doing some painting on a building downtown and he is unable to park on the street next to the building he is painting because there is no parking on the street between 8am and 12pm for the streetsweeper to come by and clean the street.

carolla comes back from lunch at 11:30am and sees that the streetsweeper has already cleaned that section of the street and is further down the block, so he pulls into the no parking zone and parks.

as he is getting his tools out of his truck, a cop comes by and gives him a ticket for illegal parking. carolla looks at the cop and shows freshly wet marks on the street where the streetsweeper has already come by. therefore, the no parking zone for that section of the street is not needed since the streetsweeper has already come by and cleaned the street.

the cop does not care, and gives carolla the ticket anyway.

what is the end result? carolla now rails against the police department and encourage others to disobey nonsensical traffic laws and openly calls cops "dicks"

thus attacking the integrity of the police department and weakening public security.
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SEATTLE -- A deputy's forceful tackle has thrown a local man into a coma, and it turns out the deputy had the wrong man.

Christopher Harris is 29 and has been married for just a year and a half, but his family members don't know whether he'll recover.

"The 270-pound young officer hit him, full-force, tackled him and drove his head into the wall," said Todd Keeling, Harris' stepfather.

Surveillance video from a Belltown convenience store captured the incident.
Video Link http://www.king5.com/video/index.html?nvid=364117
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Old 05-22-2009, 06:12 AM   #303
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wow, what a stupid *******.

Hopefully the victim recovers.
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Old 05-22-2009, 02:40 PM   #304
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wow, what a stupid *******.

Hopefully the victim recovers.
meh....this one doesn't seem that bad -

"Witnesses said several men, some covered in blood, ran into the store after a knife fight. People directed King County sheriff's deputies to an alley near Fourth and Lenora, pointing out Harris. Harris was not involved in the fight, but he ran."

With all the cases of actual police abuse out there. Piling this one in seems like a massive reach. Not sure I can blame the cop here. 99% of the time its the right guy in this situation. FWIW i'm nowhere near a cop defender. I personally think most of them are power hungry douchebags...but from the info provided in the article I dont think this is one of those cases.
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meh....this one doesn't seem that bad -

"Witnesses said several men, some covered in blood, ran into the store after a knife fight. People directed King County sheriff's deputies to an alley near Fourth and Lenora, pointing out Harris. Harris was not involved in the fight, but he ran."

With all the cases of actual police abuse out there. Piling this one in seems like a massive reach. Not sure I can blame the cop here. 99% of the time its the right guy in this situation. FWIW i'm nowhere near a cop defender. I personally think most of them are power hungry douchebags...but from the info provided in the article I dont think this is one of those cases.
The article was written before the video was released to the public. It was just released yesterday.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:27 PM   #306
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meh....this one doesn't seem that bad -

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For the most part Innocent man life IS problably over. Family robbed of their happines because cop thinks he's brian urlacher ??

For all intents and purposes he has killed an innocent man. From the looks of the video there was 0 reason for the Goldberg Spear and then the reverse cobra clutch on the now comatose body.

Not to be a dick or anything shipitkthx.... if you just happened to be walking down the street with your girlfriend or wife and Goldberg comes and spears your wife into a coma do you think it does not seem too bad..... Assuming you don't have 10 mil in life insurance on her.
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:38 PM   #307
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Followup: suspect subsequently failed the field sobriety test, so cops actions are obviously justified.
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Followup: suspect subsequently failed the field sobriety test, so cops actions are obviously justified.
Guy was so drunk he couldn't even stand up...
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Old 05-22-2009, 05:25 PM   #309
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For the most part Innocent man life IS problably over. Family robbed of their happines because cop thinks he's brian urlacher ??

For all intents and purposes he has killed an innocent man. From the looks of the video there was 0 reason for the Goldberg Spear and then the reverse cobra clutch on the now comatose body.

Not to be a dick or anything shipitkthx.... if you just happened to be walking down the street with your girlfriend or wife and Goldberg comes and spears your wife into a coma do you think it does not seem too bad..... Assuming you don't have 10 mil in life insurance on her.
If i'm walking down the street and see a group of people pointing me out to a cop, and I know i've done nothing wrong...I don't plan on running away. Look, like i said I'm not usually a defender of cops, but if the situation described is correct (he ran away after seeing a cop coming after him), then i can't pass judgement on this one.

Here is a counter-situation. Your girlfriend is walking down the street, gets mugged and stabbed, there are witnesses, cops come along, the witnesses look at the cop, look at a guy down the street and say "thats the guy," immediately the guy starts running away. What exactly would you like the cop to do?

I should add, I actually hate cops. Hell i hate pretty much all authority. I live in Erie, PA where we just had an incident with a piece of **** cop that was linked in this thread. But for ****s sake where are the people complaining about the morons who falsely identified him????

EDIT: Furthermore...you realize the guy has just been identified by eye witnesses as someone WHO JUST ****ING STABBED SOMEONE. So this cop, rather than shooting the guy trying to flee (which also would not have surprised me), tackles a guy who he has every reason to believe is carrying a weapon. There wasn't any malicious intent here. This was a cop who actually doing his job (shockingly), trying to protect the public. If he really wanted to hurt or kill this guy he would have ****ing shot him.

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He's running when he gets in view of the camera, he then suddenly stops and braces for the hit. He is clearing running away from an office who is trying to stop him. Now, if....IF....the officer never identified himself or made any commands to the guy to stop, then there is a case. If however, he did identify himself and ordered the guy to stop, and the guy took off, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. If a cop tells me to stop and I do otherwise, the very least I expect to is to get tackled to the ground.

From the story about the video release:

"Urquhart says the "tragic accident" occurred when Deputy Matthew Paul caught up to Harris outside the Cinerama Theater. The video shows Harris slowing down to stop running. He is then shoved hard by the deputy, sending him falling backwards. His head hits the wall."

This implies that this wasn't a 20 feet chase and tackle. You are seeing the very end of incident on the video. Like I said, if new info comes out that changes the situation, i'll change my opinion instantly. But so far I haven't seen anyone, including the family deny he was running from the cop.
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Just pull your gun and scream freeze next time. This is not a sport.
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If i'm walking down the street and see a group of people pointing me out to a cop, and I know i've done nothing wrong...I don't plan on running away. Look, like i said I'm not usually a defender of cops, but if the situation described is correct (he ran away after seeing a cop coming after him), then i can't pass judgement on this one.

Here is a counter-situation. Your girlfriend is walking down the street, gets mugged and stabbed, there are witnesses, cops come along, the witnesses look at the cop, look at a guy down the street and say "thats the guy," immediately the guy starts running away. What exactly would you like the cop to do?

I should add, I actually hate cops. Hell i hate pretty much all authority. I live in Erie, PA where we just had an incident with a piece of **** cop that was linked in this thread. But for ****s sake where are the people complaining about the morons who falsely identified him????

EDIT: Furthermore...you realize the guy has just been identified by eye witnesses as someone WHO JUST ****ING STABBED SOMEONE. So this cop, rather than shooting the guy trying to flee (which also would not have surprised me), tackles a guy who he has every reason to believe is carrying a weapon. There wasn't any malicious intent here. This was a cop who actually doing his job (shockingly), trying to protect the public. If he really wanted to hurt or kill this guy he would have ****ing shot him.
In the video the kid is looking right at the cop hands out where is this vicious knife he's going to stab everyone with. Cop could have tazed him etc there were a million other options other than Giving him Triple H's pedigree.

No civilians in direct vicinity Cops withing reaching distance how about draw gun and order him down now that you caught up to him ?. Anything is a better option than the King Kong Bundy Avelanche.

What I see in the video right before the cop gives him the Undertakers Tombstone Piledriver is a kid semi skipping knowing he's caught putting his hands up in like a "whoa dude i din't do nuthin" BLAM !!!!! The rock comes in with the Rock Bottom lights out chalk up one dead body yo..

He was commin right for us Jimbo I had no choice to use machoman randy savages flying elbow off the top rope or else thousands of innocent civilians were gonna die !!!!!!!!!!!

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Here is a counter-situation. Your girlfriend is walking down the street, gets mugged and stabbed, there are witnesses, cops come along, the witnesses look at the cop, look at a guy down the street and say "thats the guy," immediately the guy starts running away. What exactly would you like the cop to do?
Huge difference between you and me in this situation. Before my girlfriend can get mugged or stabbed I put a holllow point between the bad guys eyes.... 2 dollars worth of ammo to save a lifetime full of memories.

Notice no one innocent dies in my scenario.
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He's running when he gets in view of the camera, he then suddenly stops and braces for the hit. He is clearing running away from an office who is trying to stop him. Now, if....IF....the officer never identified himself or made any commands to the guy to stop, then there is a case. If however, he did identify himself and ordered the guy to stop, and the guy took off, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. If a cop tells me to stop and I do otherwise, the very least I expect to is to get tackled to the ground.
Imagine this scenario:

You're minding your own business when you witness a knife fight and somebody in front of you gets stabbed. Suddenly a 270 lb man is yelling at you and chasing you.
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Imagine this scenario:

You're minding your own business when you witness a knife fight and somebody in front of you gets stabbed. Suddenly a 270 lb man is yelling at you and chasing you.
When he says "POLICE"...I stop. I already said if he didn't identify himself that changes everything.
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