Originally Posted by DUBBLEBUBBLE

Ahhhhhhh!!!! Ok, I agree with some or most of the arguments against the war on drugs, and I know there must be a better way to deal with it as a social problem rather than as a crime, but cops have to enforce the laws that are on the books. Anything less would result in corruption. Cops can't be given the power to enforce only the laws they see fit to enforce. No man can be given the power to make and enforce the law as he sees fit.

Originally Posted by Riverman

Like any other profession, there are good people and bad people.

That said, I don't think it's a good idea to give (most often) otherwise unremarkable people guns, a badge and a monopoly on violence. Most police officers I know get off on power and act accordingly.

Originally Posted by ukjw

i find it crazy how cops doing there job that they are trianed to do can be considered good or bad cop

if i speed and a cop gives me a ticket that doesnt make him a "bad" cop, i broke the known law and i am punished whether i agree with the law or not i knew the consequences

if i speed and a cop lets me go it doesnt make him a 'good" cop, he just let me off this time and i got lucky

they are suppose to be "good" cops, that is the standard, it should be normal to see them preform cpr to save lives and things, that is part of their job. he was trained for those situations, thats not "good" but thats the standard.

the reason imo we have so many "bad" cops and cops who think they are better than me is because the people let them get this way. the people in this nation shoulda have stepped up a long time ago to fix this. a government like ours there is always a need for its citizens to keep it in check, the citizens didn't do this and these corrupt cops is a result

Originally Posted by AKSpartan

If the government created a new class of public servants whose duty it is to randomly beat senior citizens with clubs, should we put up with these people because they are "only doing their jobs"?

Originally Posted by ukjw

did you read all of my post? i said the people allowed this to happen by not rising up. i pretty much agree with what you said bro, try to read all my post next time

if we let them do what they want of course they will continue to take from us. our government was built on the fact that the government is suppose to fear the people not people fear the government, today the people fear the government

but claiming a cop is bad or good because he wrote a ticket for a law you know you broke or decided to let you off the hook is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by AKSpartan

Yes, I read your post. I'd like to focus on your contention that the people allow these things to come to be.

What makes you believe that people can really control the actions of their government through democracy?

Do you think the American voters had much of a choice when faced with the alternatives of McCain and Obama?

Do you think the last couple of months would look appreciably different had McCain been elected?

Originally Posted by Riverman

Like any other profession, there are good people and bad people.

That said, I don't think it's a good idea to give (most often) otherwise unremarkable people guns, a badge and a monopoly on violence. Most police officers I know get off on power and act accordingly.

Originally Posted by Poker879

I for one think the world would be a much better place without cops. Now by this, I don't mean one day, we're told, hey all cops are fired good luck, while everyone scrambles to hire private security and/or buy guns or whatever means to protect themselves.

Why do people vote to give police more funding, why do no bills ever pass to take away police funding. When I drive down the freeway, it's not speeders or drunk drivers I fear, it's the police. Are others the same? When I am out on the streets, it's not criminals I fear, it's the police. I fear getting a J-walking ticket, a drunk in public, or anything else a cop would like to give me a ticket for. Are others the same. Unless you live in harlem, do you honestly fear criminals.

As for other crimes like, home break ins or car theft, do the police find the criminals very often? No. If they do find your car, it's usually after it's been scrapped for parts, or if you have lo-jack, but that's do to private ingenuity, not the police.

the police: when seconds count, they'll be there in a matter of minutes. I fear the police, not criminals, am I crazy or are others the same.

Originally Posted by Adebisi

The only time (barring some kind of political demonstration) people get arrested for "fighting words" disorderly conduct is when they talk back to cops. If I'm walking down the street and some random guy I don't know comes up to me and gets in my face trying to talk to me, I'm going to tell him to f*ck off. No way in hell I ever get arrested for that. If it's a cop, I'm going to jail.